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U.S. Law is not Based on the Ten Commandments. Get Over It.

Sunday, June 29th, 2008

Lynn Westmoreland

(You might remember Lynn Westmoreland from The Colbert Report last year. Image from Back Door Boy In A Front Door World)

I found a great website, The Skeptic Report. In addition to covering the usual frauds—such as psychics, UFOs, homeopathy, etc.—it has a section on creationism, which I have added to my sidebar. It also has a more general section on religion. In there, I found an article on the Ten Commandments that I was planning to write. Theirs is at least as good as mine would have been, so just go read that.

The article asks:

Is American law based upon the 10 Commandments? Let us examine them.

It then looks at each commandment in turn to determine if it’s something we built our laws on. The article concludes with [slightly reformatted for emphasis]:

Out of the ten commandments:

  • Four (1, 2, 3, 10) are counter to American laws.
  • Three (6, 8, 9) are part of our legal system, but are part of just about every legal system in history. [and predate the 10 Commandments]
  • Two (4, 5) are not a part of our laws.
  • One (7) may or may not be a part of state or local laws.

Even in a state that has laws concerning #7, that still means less than half of the 10 commandments carry any legal weight, and an equal number are illegal to enforce.

Those that claim the 10 commandments are our basis for law apparently do not know the law very well. The only thing funnier is those that want it posted illegally in schools “to teach children respect for the law”.

Go over to Skeptic Report and read the whole article. Save it to your hard drive. The next time one of your fundie relatives sends you an email about how U.S. law is based on the Ten Commandments, send them a copy of this.

Debating Tips

Monday, June 16th, 2008

What? No BBQ sauce?

Rule #7: Never accuse the other side of something you can’t back up with Photoshop.

Creatards frequently like to drop by this site for a friendly chat. If you are inclined to extend the classic BoF hospitality to them, you might find yourself in a light discussion of trivial matters.

To assist in your enjoyment, the Watcher recently posted an article about debating tactics. It’s an excellent introduction that is worth reading. He also links to a good discussion of logical fallacies.

Don’t Elect Somebody this Ignorant of American History or the Constitution

Sunday, June 8th, 2008

Here’s a video of John Huckabee McCain claiming not only that America is a Christian nation, but he is also (apparently) implying that Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim.

Huckabee McCain is also saying that only Christians are qualified to be president. If Obama really were Muslim, McCain is saying that would disqualify him outright.

In fact, it’s even worse than that. Notice McCain says he wants someone who has a “solid grounding” in Christianity. He’s implying that even if Obama isn’t Muslim, he’s not a true Christian, because he’s been contaminated by his exposure to Islam.

Do we want such a massive religious bigot in the White House?

(YouTube page is here)

(via Atheist Media Blog)

Wirthless Ideas

Wednesday, May 28th, 2008

I’m trying to get caught up on a couple of things from last week. Here’s one of them. You may have seen this on Pharyngula. As PZ Myers explains:

A couple of college students in Toronto…took offense at the patent absurdity of the “Bible and Bible Studies” section of a large bookstore at Yonge and Eglinton, and decided to help organize the shelves by filing their contents more appropriately. They quietly moved the contents to other places in the bookstore, like Fiction, Humour, Sexuality, Erotica, Cuisine, Parenting, Mental Disorder, Parapsychology and the Occult.

The aftermath

I actually did something similar on a much smaller scale last year. One of the culprits of the Toronto incident describes the event in more detail at his blog, Phaedron Rising.

What I wanted to bring to your attention, though, was his follow-up article:

Many comments on Pharyngula suggested that Science shelves should be bereft of such gems as Michael Behe’s intelligent-design manifestos, or any book on new-age pseudoscience.

It’s with this that I must take issue. When, in my email to Dr Myers, I referred to the democratic marketplace of ideas, I was not paying lip service. It is a fundamental tenet of western democratic society that as long as nobody is literally hurt, every opinion has a right to be heard. I’m not saying that every opinion is worth the paper it’s written on, just that anyone has every right to make their case. This is especially the case in the rigours of the scientific process, where any theory—new or old—is continually vetted by a process of peer review and critique.

In the case of Behe’s ID idiocy and New-Age acupressure guides, they belong squarely in the science section. The questions that they address (Who are we? How did we get here? How can the flow of Chi affect my basement grow-op?) are fundamentally scientific ones. Just because a particular author’s answer to a real scientific question is completely insipid does not mean that it does not belong on the Science shelf.

Call me Naïve, but I truly want to believe that in the great marketplace of ideas, theories will ultimately rise and fall on their own merits.

If you want to rid your local science section of wastes of wood-pulp like Behe’s books on Intelligent Design, here’s how to do it.

Let his opinion be heard.

There is only one appropriate response to a ridiculous proposition, and that response is thorough ridicule. Give Behe and his ilk a seat at the table. Engage him. Expose his ideas for the unscrupulous shams that they are. I’m not advocating that anyone treat fools with kid gloves—far from it. All I’m saying is, give these people just enough intellectual rope to hang themselves with, then help them build their gallows.

That article sums up some of what we do here at BoF. It’s great fun pointing out how foolish the “freedom fighters”, Concerned “Women”, and Family “Researchers” are, but our fun has a very real purpose. These people want to pull our society back to the Dark Ages. Ridiculing these ideas is one of the best ways to expose them for the frauds that they are.

National Banana

Tuesday, April 15th, 2008

There’s a comedy group calling themselves National Banana. Here are two of their videos.

Priest Off


(YouTube page is here)

The Politics of Stem Cell Research


(YouTube page is here)

Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

Tuesday, April 15th, 2008

This DVD player delivers freedom FROM religion

Thomas Jefferson was probably the biggest proponent of religious liberty among the nation’s founders. Near the end of his life, he instructed that three of his accomplishments be listed in his epitaph:

  • Writing of the Declaration of Independence
  • Founding of the University of Virginia
  • Co-writing (with James Madison) the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

Notice anything missing? How about being the third President of the United States! That’s quite an accomplishment. The fact that it’s missing from the list shows the importance Jefferson placed on the items that are included.

The religion clauses of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States were based largely upon the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. We can, therefore, look at the Virginia Statute for insight into the First Amendment.

Wikipedia has a good summary of the statute:

The 793-word statute is divided into three sections.

In Section 1, Jefferson argues that the concept of compulsory religion is wrong for the following reasons:

  • The imposition of anything on a human mind, which God made to be free, is hypocritical and wrong.
  • …God never coerced anyone to follow him, and the imposition of a religion by government officials is impious.
  • The coercion of a person to make contributions—especially monetary—to a religion he doesn’t support is tyrannical and creates favoritism among ministers.
  • Government involvement in matters tends to end in the restraint of religion.
  • Civil rights do not depend on religious beliefs….

You’ve probably heard many of us say that “Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion”. In fact, we’ve said it enough that some fundies are sick of hearing it. I recently saw a bumper sticker that said “Freedom of religion does not include freedom from religion”. That’s similar to the way the Christians like to make a Jesus fish eating a Darwin fish. They think they’re so clever!

As you can see by the first few items in that list, freedom from religion is clearly one of the intentions of the Virginia Statute and (by extension) the First Amendment.

Fundies would be well advised to read the fourth bullet item carefully. I don’t know why that concept is so alien to them. History has borne it out repeatedly.

Finally, look at that last bullet item. The actual text from the Statute is:

…that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry…

One fundie argument I hear a lot is that God has granted us these rights. No. Show me where in the Bible that the Bill of Rights, or anything like it, is laid out. The only thing approaching a Bill of Rights is the Ten Commandments. That isn’t a Bill of Rights for humans; it’s a Bill of Rights for God! It’s what he gets out of the deal! What do the people get?

We have granted these rights to ourselves. We got together and determined what the basic human rights are. Freedom of (and from) religion is one of those.

Sections 2 and 3 are fairly short, so we can look at them in their entirety. The text is written in that tortured 18th Century bureaucratic prose. I’m going to separate Section 2 into bullet items, just for ease of comprehension:

Be it enacted by the General Assembly,

  • That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever,
  • nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods,
  • nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief;
  • but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion,
  • and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

That first bullet item seems extremely clear to me. That means no prayer in the public schools. No form of creationism taught in the schools. No prayers at high school football games or graduation ceremonies. No private-school vouchers. No Ten Commandments hanging in courthouses. No “faith-based initiatives”. No “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Section 3 begins:

And though we well know that this assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding assemblies, constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act to be irrevocable would be of no effect in law;…

That’s a very long-winded way of saying that they can’t stop future assemblies from mucking up this document; however, they would like to make the following very clear:

…yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present, or to narrow its operation, such act shall be an infringement of natural right.

That’s an interesting statement. I don’t remember anything comparable in our own Constitution. They’re making it clear to succeeding generations that if they tamper with the rights specified here, they are going against the very principles that their state was founded upon. It’s a warning to be very sure of what you are doing. Rights should not be surrendered lightly.

In fact, that is one of the things I like about the Virginia Statute. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is only 45 words long, and it covers:

  • Establishment of religion
  • Free exercise of religion
  • Freedom of speech
  • Freedom of the press
  • Freedom to assemble
  • Right to petition for redress of grievances

That’s a lot, and it’s only 45 words! That’s why we’re always fighting over what that amendment means. It’s too vague. What exactly is an “establishment of religion”? What exactly is a restriction on the press?

The Virginia Statute goes into great detail in spelling out what it means and the rationale behind it. If only our Constitution were as detailed. I mean, come on! What the hell does this mean:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Are they saying that the right to bear arms is dependent on the need for a militia? Or are they merely saying that a militia is one of the benefits of the right to bear arms? You can read it either way, to completely opposite conclusions! If the Second Amendment had been as verbose as the Virginia Statute, we wouldn’t be arguing over this.

Fortunately for us, the religion clauses of the First Amendment were based on the Virginia Statute. At least for this one amendment, we have the luxury of seeing what the Founders meant when they wrote what they did.

Appendix

Section 1 of the Virginia Statute has some good stuff in it. If you fancy yourself a Constitutional scholar, it’s worth reading the whole thing, which I’ve reproduced below. The rest of you can run along now.

I’ve broken it into bullet items at each semi-colon, for your comprehension pleasure.

Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free;

  • that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as it was in his Almighty power to do;
  • that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
  • that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical;
  • that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor, whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporary rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind;
  • that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry;
  • that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow-citizens he has a natural right;
  • that it tends only to corrupt the principles of that religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it;
  • that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way;
  • that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion, and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own;
  • that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order;
  • and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:

Florida Teens Believe Drinking Bleach Will Prevent HIV

Monday, April 7th, 2008

If I couldn't have it, neither can you

Here’s a short piece from Channel 6 News in Florida:

ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida teens who believe drinking a cap of bleach will prevent HIV and a shot of Mountain Dew will stop pregnancy have prompted lawmakers to push for an overhaul of sex education in the state.

Another myth is that Florida teens also believe that smoking marijuana will prevent a person from getting pregnant, Local 6 reported.

State lawmakers said the myths are spreading because of Florida’s abstinence-only sex education, Local 6 reported.

They are proposing a bill that would require a more comprehensive approach, the report said.

It would still require teaching abstinence but students would also learn about condoms and other methods of birth control and disease prevention.

Abstinence-only sex “education” strikes again.

(via The Wild Wild Left)

Mike Huckabee: No Intelligence Demonstrated

Monday, April 7th, 2008

I was really hoping we had managed to lose this retard, at least for another four years. But like all bad ideas, he keeps coming back. Here is Mike Huckabee shilling for Ben Stein:


(YouTube page is here.)

He claims there is “growing evidence of intelligent design”. Really, Huck? Then why didn’t you provide any? In fact, why don’t they provide any in Expelled? They have an entire movie. From what I have heard (and I’m willing to stand corrected), they don’t spend any time in the movie providing any evidence for ID creationism. They spend all of their time whining about not getting a seat at the grown-ups’ table. Then they throw a tantrum and falsely link the fact of evolution to the horrors of the Holocaust, as if the latter somehow disproves the former.

Tell you what, Huck. When you learn what real science is, then we’ll “open the doors”.

Holy crap! This guy was a viable presidential candidate!