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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/867/britton%e2%80%99s-law/comment-page-1#comment-34723</link>
		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnum&#039;s Universal Logic Law of Creationist Rhetoric and Argumentative Petulance</description>
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		<title>By: freddies_dead</title>
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		<dc:creator>freddies_dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnum’s Universal Law of Creationist Rhetoric and Argumentative Petulance</description>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We’ll have to call it Barnum’s Universal Law of Creationist Arguments. The acronym isn’t catchy. Maybe somebody can think of something better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dunno, BULCA is one syllable short of bull-&lt;em&gt;caca&lt;/em&gt;, which is highly amusing and appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We’ll have to call it Barnum’s Universal Law of Creationist Arguments. The acronym isn’t catchy. Maybe somebody can think of something better.</p></blockquote>
<p>I dunno, BULCA is one syllable short of bull-<em>caca</em>, which is highly amusing and appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ron. I can&#039;t exactly claim originality on that formulation, though. I think PZ said words to that effect first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ron. I can&#8217;t exactly claim originality on that formulation, though. I think PZ said words to that effect first.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe something like &quot;All creationist websites eventually quote mine Stephen Jay Gould.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe something like &#8220;All creationist websites eventually quote mine Stephen Jay Gould.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about... The longer a fundie quote-mines, the likelihood of taking Gould out of context approaches 1?  There are plenty of instances where fundies argue without quote mining (commonly drive-by postings), although that may be a separate law in and of itself.  The longer an argument with a fundie progresses, the likelier they are to quote mine.  Maybe Britton&#039;s law should be broken down into those two points?

Yea, Godwin&#039;s Law is pretty amazing.  It is just about as spot-on as Moore&#039;s Law.  Not too many &quot;unscientific&quot; laws are as accurate as those two.  Godwin certainly has expanded to pretty much any medium of the internet.  At the time it was coined, usenet was pretty much the only discussion format available on the internet, so replacing usenet with &quot;internet discussion medium&quot; is not a stretch of the spirit of the law at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about&#8230; The longer a fundie quote-mines, the likelihood of taking Gould out of context approaches 1?  There are plenty of instances where fundies argue without quote mining (commonly drive-by postings), although that may be a separate law in and of itself.  The longer an argument with a fundie progresses, the likelier they are to quote mine.  Maybe Britton&#8217;s law should be broken down into those two points?</p>
<p>Yea, Godwin&#8217;s Law is pretty amazing.  It is just about as spot-on as Moore&#8217;s Law.  Not too many &#8220;unscientific&#8221; laws are as accurate as those two.  Godwin certainly has expanded to pretty much any medium of the internet.  At the time it was coined, usenet was pretty much the only discussion format available on the internet, so replacing usenet with &#8220;internet discussion medium&#8221; is not a stretch of the spirit of the law at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s almost axiomatic that any writer that is sufficiently prolific can be mined for quotes that support any argument, even regarding subjects on which they did not comment. 

The flip side of this is when a particular person becomes known for a single idea that was only a small, often contextless, part of their greater work. Adam Smith comes to mind. The Invisible Hand, for which he is so well known, in barely an afterthought in &lt;i&gt;The Wealth of Nations&lt;/i&gt;, a single statement in work of more than a thousand pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost axiomatic that any writer that is sufficiently prolific can be mined for quotes that support any argument, even regarding subjects on which they did not comment. </p>
<p>The flip side of this is when a particular person becomes known for a single idea that was only a small, often contextless, part of their greater work. Adam Smith comes to mind. The Invisible Hand, for which he is so well known, in barely an afterthought in <i>The Wealth of Nations</i>, a single statement in work of more than a thousand pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. A. Baker:

I just visited that page at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/author.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Go to the Quote Mine Project at Talk Origins. Opens in new window.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Talk Origins Archive&lt;/a&gt; that you linked to.  I guess I hadn&#039;t seen that page.  It&#039;s great!  It lists all of the most common nuggets mined from scientists.

I noticed that Gould had more quotes on there than anyone, even Darwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. A. Baker:</p>
<p>I just visited that page at the <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/author.html" target="_blank" title="Go to the Quote Mine Project at Talk Origins. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">Talk Origins Archive</a> that you linked to.  I guess I hadn&#8217;t seen that page.  It&#8217;s great!  It lists all of the most common nuggets mined from scientists.</p>
<p>I noticed that Gould had more quotes on there than anyone, even Darwin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. A. Baker:

Thank you for that excellent example!  That&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m talking about.

I like your statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q:  What’s the First Rule of Creationist Quote Mining?

A:  If there’s an ellipsis in the quote, it’s probably mined.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s probably a near-universal truth, far stronger than either Vjack&#039;s Law or Britton&#039;s Law.  It wouldn&#039;t be fair to call it Baker&#039;s law, though.  P.T. Barnum was famous for this.  He&#039;d take bad reviews of his shows and turn them into raving endorsements by judicious use of elipses.  We&#039;ll have to call it Barnum&#039;s Universal Law of Creationist Arguments.  The acronym isn&#039;t catchy.  Maybe somebody can think of something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. A. Baker:</p>
<p>Thank you for that excellent example!  That&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>I like your statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>Q:  What’s the First Rule of Creationist Quote Mining?</p>
<p>A:  If there’s an ellipsis in the quote, it’s probably mined.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s probably a near-universal truth, far stronger than either Vjack&#8217;s Law or Britton&#8217;s Law.  It wouldn&#8217;t be fair to call it Baker&#8217;s law, though.  P.T. Barnum was famous for this.  He&#8217;d take bad reviews of his shows and turn them into raving endorsements by judicious use of elipses.  We&#8217;ll have to call it Barnum&#8217;s Universal Law of Creationist Arguments.  The acronym isn&#8217;t catchy.  Maybe somebody can think of something better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(((Billy))):

Art Battson does it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/646/the-domain-of-misinformation#comment-34596&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Art Battson&#039;s comment at BoF. Opens in new window.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right here&lt;/a&gt; in the first paragraph of his recent comment about my exposé of his anti-evolution website.

You&#039;ll primarily see this law in action on web pages, less so in comment threads.  Maybe I should rephrase the law somehow to reflect that (anyone have a good rewrite?).  Kevin Wirth notwithstanding, quote mining occurs more frequently on web pages than in comment threads.  It seems that most creationist web sites that have quotes will manage to find gold in Gould.</description>
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<p>Art Battson does it <a href="http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/646/the-domain-of-misinformation#comment-34596" target="_blank" title="Art Battson's comment at BoF. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">right here</a> in the first paragraph of his recent comment about my exposé of his anti-evolution website.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll primarily see this law in action on web pages, less so in comment threads.  Maybe I should rephrase the law somehow to reflect that (anyone have a good rewrite?).  Kevin Wirth notwithstanding, quote mining occurs more frequently on web pages than in comment threads.  It seems that most creationist web sites that have quotes will manage to find gold in Gould.</p>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://jabberingstooge.blogsome.com/2009/01/28/q-whats-the-first-rule-of-creationist-quote-mining/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I caught DaveScot&lt;/a&gt; in a Britton&#039;s Law instance a couple of weeks ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://jabberingstooge.blogsome.com/2009/01/28/q-whats-the-first-rule-of-creationist-quote-mining/" rel="nofollow">I caught DaveScot</a> in a Britton&#8217;s Law instance a couple of weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: (((Billy))) The Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>(((Billy))) The Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly, I have never had that happen on any of my comment threads.  I&#039;ve had the one about Christianity/religion/the Bible can only be understood through faith numerous times, but never Britton&#039;s Law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly, I have never had that happen on any of my comment threads.  I&#8217;ve had the one about Christianity/religion/the Bible can only be understood through faith numerous times, but never Britton&#8217;s Law.</p>
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