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	<title>Comments on: Our &#8220;Most Liberal Senator&#8221; is Now Our &#8220;Most Liberal President&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Overmind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-4.25
-4.15
Social-libertarian/ Autoritarian

Im happy with my result:)it is fairly accurate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-4.25<br />
-4.15<br />
Social-libertarian/ Autoritarian</p>
<p>Im happy with my result:)it is fairly accurate</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two-axis system is pretty accurate because there are very few people who actually divide up individual social issues between &quot;left/right&quot; or &quot;authoritarian/libertarian.&quot;  I have known only one person who did.  He was very libertarian (political axis, not party) but very pro-death penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two-axis system is pretty accurate because there are very few people who actually divide up individual social issues between &#8220;left/right&#8221; or &#8220;authoritarian/libertarian.&#8221;  I have known only one person who did.  He was very libertarian (political axis, not party) but very pro-death penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point here - the entire &#039;right / left&#039; spectrum is messed up.  Pournelle did an article on it a while back where he pointed ou that the &#039;right / left&#039; spectrum is basically based on a several-hundred-year-old set of political alliances.  The dichotomy was reinforced by the counter-culture in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s, which aggressively lumped social conservatism, financial conservatism, and anything else which could be considered conservative&#039; into one big pile, but I digress.

The idea of a two axis political map is a fairly good one, but each axis has to be a meaningful one, something that tries to objectively see what&#039;s out there, rather than trying to fit what&#039;s out there into a mold formed just after the French Revolution.

I&#039;m actually not saying it as well as he did.  His original article is here:
http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point here &#8211; the entire &#8216;right / left&#8217; spectrum is messed up.  Pournelle did an article on it a while back where he pointed ou that the &#8216;right / left&#8217; spectrum is basically based on a several-hundred-year-old set of political alliances.  The dichotomy was reinforced by the counter-culture in the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s, which aggressively lumped social conservatism, financial conservatism, and anything else which could be considered conservative&#8217; into one big pile, but I digress.</p>
<p>The idea of a two axis political map is a fairly good one, but each axis has to be a meaningful one, something that tries to objectively see what&#8217;s out there, rather than trying to fit what&#8217;s out there into a mold formed just after the French Revolution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually not saying it as well as he did.  His original article is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a fyi the &quot;libertarian&quot; part is just how much you think the government should control socially (i.e. surveillance) it&#039;s not the Libertarian Party type libertarian. 

In fact the libertarian party is just extremely right-wing and not necessarily &quot;libertarian&quot; I mean the socialist party candidate was more libertarian then Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a fyi the &#8220;libertarian&#8221; part is just how much you think the government should control socially (i.e. surveillance) it&#8217;s not the Libertarian Party type libertarian. </p>
<p>In fact the libertarian party is just extremely right-wing and not necessarily &#8220;libertarian&#8221; I mean the socialist party candidate was more libertarian then Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: mayhempix</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayhempix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I ended up at about the same place as you did and am definitely not a LIbertarian with a capital &quot;L&quot;.

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

In this case it seems libertarian is used as the antithesis of authoritarian so we ended on the left side of it because we believe that government has no business controlling our personal and social lives.

Libertarians with a capital &quot;L&quot; would have ended up on the right side because of their worship of the Free Market God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I ended up at about the same place as you did and am definitely not a LIbertarian with a capital &#8220;L&#8221;.</p>
<p>Economic Left/Right: -7.00<br />
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49</p>
<p>In this case it seems libertarian is used as the antithesis of authoritarian so we ended on the left side of it because we believe that government has no business controlling our personal and social lives.</p>
<p>Libertarians with a capital &#8220;L&#8221; would have ended up on the right side because of their worship of the Free Market God.</p>
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		<title>By: ericsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95

So, what does this mean? I&#039;m more libertarian than you, but not as far left? Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic Left/Right: -5.88<br />
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95</p>
<p>So, what does this mean? I&#8217;m more libertarian than you, but not as far left? Ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been skeptical of these kind of tests. Right and Left are relative ideas based on the political climate of a particular era. 

I&#039;ve seen another such graph that charts conservative and liberal as two quadrants of a circular spectrum that seems more functional but that still creates a number of false dichotomies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been skeptical of these kind of tests. Right and Left are relative ideas based on the political climate of a particular era. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen another such graph that charts conservative and liberal as two quadrants of a circular spectrum that seems more functional but that still creates a number of false dichotomies.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I&#039;m just about the most rightward leaning person here. Not that the really surprises me.

The problem with tests like this is that it doesn&#039;t allow you to &quot;explain&quot; your answers. For example, I strongly agreed with this statement: &quot;It&#039;s natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents&quot; because I believe that sentence to be true. Children will try to keep things from their parents. It is an inborn &quot;natural&quot; trait.

But that doesn&#039;t mean I think it&#039;s right. Nor do I think that children have some sort of &quot;right&quot; to keep secrets from their parents. I wonder what my score would&#039;ve been had I changed the answer to strongly disagree. Because while I do believe the sentence is true, I disagree with what I believe the spirit of that sentence to be.

And there are, or course, other questions that I could&#039;ve answered in pretty much the opposite way to what I did. But for what it&#039;s worth, here&#039;s my score:

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;m just about the most rightward leaning person here. Not that the really surprises me.</p>
<p>The problem with tests like this is that it doesn&#8217;t allow you to &#8220;explain&#8221; your answers. For example, I strongly agreed with this statement: &#8220;It&#8217;s natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents&#8221; because I believe that sentence to be true. Children will try to keep things from their parents. It is an inborn &#8220;natural&#8221; trait.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean I think it&#8217;s right. Nor do I think that children have some sort of &#8220;right&#8221; to keep secrets from their parents. I wonder what my score would&#8217;ve been had I changed the answer to strongly disagree. Because while I do believe the sentence is true, I disagree with what I believe the spirit of that sentence to be.</p>
<p>And there are, or course, other questions that I could&#8217;ve answered in pretty much the opposite way to what I did. But for what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s my score:</p>
<p>Economic Left/Right: -1.75<br />
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90</p>
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		<title>By: J.R. "Bob" Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R. "Bob" Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your political compass<br />
Economic Left/Right: -3.62<br />
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your political compass<br />
Economic Left/Right: -6.88<br />
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Obama&#039;s shout-out to non-believers too.  That was... unexpected.  I was quite happy about it.  Also, that fundie dude that did the open prayer thing -- he wasn&#039;t so bad.  Overly religious for a state function, yes.  But, well, that&#039;s the tradition here.

Yea, where was the gun control questions in the quiz?  That would have knocked me the hell out of libertarian land, for sure... ;-)

As for growing into being a liberal.  That&#039;s me.  I was born a Good Little Conservative in a conservative family.  Look at me now.  My bleeding heart bleeds bleeding hearts.  I began to think for myself in my early twenties and decided .. hey -- I kinda like this Al Gore guy even though he&#039;s not republican.  Then I became a Democrat officially.

Now, I thank W for making me go waaaay off the deep end into Moon Bat territory.

Finally, Ron, I agree.  No authoritarian Dems in my Utopia either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Obama&#8217;s shout-out to non-believers too.  That was&#8230; unexpected.  I was quite happy about it.  Also, that fundie dude that did the open prayer thing &#8212; he wasn&#8217;t so bad.  Overly religious for a state function, yes.  But, well, that&#8217;s the tradition here.</p>
<p>Yea, where was the gun control questions in the quiz?  That would have knocked me the hell out of libertarian land, for sure&#8230; <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for growing into being a liberal.  That&#8217;s me.  I was born a Good Little Conservative in a conservative family.  Look at me now.  My bleeding heart bleeds bleeding hearts.  I began to think for myself in my early twenties and decided .. hey &#8212; I kinda like this Al Gore guy even though he&#8217;s not republican.  Then I became a Democrat officially.</p>
<p>Now, I thank W for making me go waaaay off the deep end into Moon Bat territory.</p>
<p>Finally, Ron, I agree.  No authoritarian Dems in my Utopia either.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L/R: -8
Lib/Auth: -7.13

I think the &quot;should government control our sex lives&quot; questions is what throws us all into the Libertarian column.  And on that note, I don&#039;t think that test is too accurate.  Because it puts the better part of the Democratic party in the authoritarian column.  Now, I know I&#039;m different from the USA&#039;s majority liberal party, but I&#039;m more of a moon bat than Ralph Nader and more glib than Ron Paul?!?!  I just don&#039;t buy it.  

I think either the test&#039;s calibration is off or the candidates themselves are not placed correctly.  I just don&#039;t see how my &quot;government out of the bedroom&quot; beliefs could override things like &quot;government should own parks and pay for the arts&quot; which I answered &quot;Strongly Agree&quot; on in every case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L/R: -8<br />
Lib/Auth: -7.13</p>
<p>I think the &#8220;should government control our sex lives&#8221; questions is what throws us all into the Libertarian column.  And on that note, I don&#8217;t think that test is too accurate.  Because it puts the better part of the Democratic party in the authoritarian column.  Now, I know I&#8217;m different from the USA&#8217;s majority liberal party, but I&#8217;m more of a moon bat than Ralph Nader and more glib than Ron Paul?!?!  I just don&#8217;t buy it.  </p>
<p>I think either the test&#8217;s calibration is off or the candidates themselves are not placed correctly.  I just don&#8217;t see how my &#8220;government out of the bedroom&#8221; beliefs could override things like &#8220;government should own parks and pay for the arts&#8221; which I answered &#8220;Strongly Agree&#8221; on in every case.</p>
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