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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/717/the-separation-of-logic-and-fundie/comment-page-1#comment-33235</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with your interpretation of the &quot;living, breathing constitution,&quot; many people do not.  And that is why arguments over &quot;what the framers intended&quot; consumes so much time in political debate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with your interpretation of the &#8220;living, breathing constitution,&#8221; many people do not.  And that is why arguments over &#8220;what the framers intended&#8221; consumes so much time in political debate!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/717/the-separation-of-logic-and-fundie/comment-page-1#comment-33206</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Laura Ingalls Wilder writing in the Little House series, &quot;God is America&#039;s king,&quot; as opposed to other countries having actual kings.

Even if the framers *did* have religion in mind, that doesn&#039;t mean that it is what we should follow today. The times they have a changed.

Not My God
www.sarahtrachtenberg.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Laura Ingalls Wilder writing in the Little House series, &#8220;God is America&#8217;s king,&#8221; as opposed to other countries having actual kings.</p>
<p>Even if the framers *did* have religion in mind, that doesn&#8217;t mean that it is what we should follow today. The times they have a changed.</p>
<p>Not My God<br />
<a href="http://www.sarahtrachtenberg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sarahtrachtenberg.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Vorhias</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/717/the-separation-of-logic-and-fundie/comment-page-1#comment-33189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Vorhias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezy creezy, that caller was annoying.

But I love Gene Burns&#039; last word though:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d love to have a battle of wits with you, but I have a firm principle that I never fight with an unarmed man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezy creezy, that caller was annoying.</p>
<p>But I love Gene Burns&#8217; last word though:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;d love to have a battle of wits with you, but I have a firm principle that I never fight with an unarmed man.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also important to point out that, even if the Xian dominionists were to succeed in pushing this interpretation of the 1st amendment and the USA became a country composed entirely of church going Xians, the evangelicals would then find some denomination to vilify, probably Catholics. 

A faith based on adversarialism cannot flourish without an enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also important to point out that, even if the Xian dominionists were to succeed in pushing this interpretation of the 1st amendment and the USA became a country composed entirely of church going Xians, the evangelicals would then find some denomination to vilify, probably Catholics. </p>
<p>A faith based on adversarialism cannot flourish without an enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/717/the-separation-of-logic-and-fundie/comment-page-1#comment-33178</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troy - It&#039;s easy.  Their&#039;s is the only &quot;true religion&quot; because every other so-called &quot;religion&quot; is actually just a cult.  I mean it has to be because if Christianity is right, all the others have to be wrong, right?  Plus, I mean obviously &quot;freedom of religion&quot; never meant &quot;freedom from religion.&quot;  I mean golly it&#039;s obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy &#8211; It&#8217;s easy.  Their&#8217;s is the only &#8220;true religion&#8221; because every other so-called &#8220;religion&#8221; is actually just a cult.  I mean it has to be because if Christianity is right, all the others have to be wrong, right?  Plus, I mean obviously &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; never meant &#8220;freedom from religion.&#8221;  I mean golly it&#8217;s obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good number of years I saw a televangelist who was selling tapes with the same thesis:  the first ammendment guarantees the right to pick your own christian denomination.  How they read this into the first ammendment and the secular constitution is beyond me.  The best I can come up with wishful thinking and weekly brainwashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good number of years I saw a televangelist who was selling tapes with the same thesis:  the first ammendment guarantees the right to pick your own christian denomination.  How they read this into the first ammendment and the secular constitution is beyond me.  The best I can come up with wishful thinking and weekly brainwashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the source, thanks for the reply!  Bay of Fundie ROCKS!  Thanks for the work you do on it.  Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the source, thanks for the reply!  Bay of Fundie ROCKS!  Thanks for the work you do on it.  Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s been out here for years. I didn’t know he had a chocolate business. Maybe he sold it. I know that at least some of his family still lives in Florida.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, he had a handmade chocolate business for years, employed most of his extended family. He was always big on taking care of them. I remember, now, though - the business was always in FL. He came up here for a number of years, but I think the winters got to be too much for him (it&#039;s thirteen degrees here now, so I can&#039;t say I blame him). I think I remember our mutual friend telling me that he was getting ready to move back down there. I guess he got sidetracked.

From his bio page at WKIS:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For 14 years starting in 1971,  Gene  served as a talk show host,  commentator and program director at WKIS-AM 740 in Orlando.  Gene even ventured in to the candy business while in Orlando (where his surviving family members live).  Do you remember Gene Burns Chocolates, in Winter Park?  Gene would have more than one stop at WKIS in his career. Gene arrived from WEEI-AM in Boston in 1971.  He would be lured to WCAU-AM in Philadelphia in 1981, but would return to Orlando and WKIS in 1982(?). Gene would run for President in 1984, on the Libertarian Party ticket. Gene was named Operations manager at WKIS in 1984. He moved to WRKO-AM in Boston in 1985, where his show on became the top-rated midday show in the area. In the fall of 1992, he left Boston for WOR-AM 710 in New York. His program was carried on 162 stations across the country.  In 1992 Gene was named one of the &quot;25 Greatest Radio Talk Show Hosts of All Time&quot;, by Talkers Magazine. In a dispute with WOR management Gene walked out with (with 1 year remaining on his contract). After leaving WOR, he underwent very complicated neck surgery which kept him housebound in New York for a couple of months. Then In 1994, Gene headed to KGO-AM 810 in San Francisco when he suffered a mild heart attack. Now heard nightly San Francisco on KGO. Gene also does a program about food, wine and travel; &quot;Dining Around with Gene Burns&quot;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He’s been out here for years. I didn’t know he had a chocolate business. Maybe he sold it. I know that at least some of his family still lives in Florida.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, he had a handmade chocolate business for years, employed most of his extended family. He was always big on taking care of them. I remember, now, though &#8211; the business was always in FL. He came up here for a number of years, but I think the winters got to be too much for him (it&#8217;s thirteen degrees here now, so I can&#8217;t say I blame him). I think I remember our mutual friend telling me that he was getting ready to move back down there. I guess he got sidetracked.</p>
<p>From his bio page at WKIS:</p>
<blockquote><p>For 14 years starting in 1971,  Gene  served as a talk show host,  commentator and program director at WKIS-AM 740 in Orlando.  Gene even ventured in to the candy business while in Orlando (where his surviving family members live).  Do you remember Gene Burns Chocolates, in Winter Park?  Gene would have more than one stop at WKIS in his career. Gene arrived from WEEI-AM in Boston in 1971.  He would be lured to WCAU-AM in Philadelphia in 1981, but would return to Orlando and WKIS in 1982(?). Gene would run for President in 1984, on the Libertarian Party ticket. Gene was named Operations manager at WKIS in 1984. He moved to WRKO-AM in Boston in 1985, where his show on became the top-rated midday show in the area. In the fall of 1992, he left Boston for WOR-AM 710 in New York. His program was carried on 162 stations across the country.  In 1992 Gene was named one of the &#8220;25 Greatest Radio Talk Show Hosts of All Time&#8221;, by Talkers Magazine. In a dispute with WOR management Gene walked out with (with 1 year remaining on his contract). After leaving WOR, he underwent very complicated neck surgery which kept him housebound in New York for a couple of months. Then In 1994, Gene headed to KGO-AM 810 in San Francisco when he suffered a mild heart attack. Now heard nightly San Francisco on KGO. Gene also does a program about food, wine and travel; &#8220;Dining Around with Gene Burns&#8221;. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mr. Creazil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Creazil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was beautiful. Could you post a download? I want to keep this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful. Could you post a download? I want to keep this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the subject of the Framers’ beliefs, Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to Peter Carr:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jefferson will always be a hero of mine.  The skepticism and value of reason over tradition just brings a smile to my face.  

That line is as relevant today as ever.  If your god really is the one true creator of this universe and he gave us all the attributes we have (created in his image and so on), would he truly not value reason over blind obedience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the subject of the Framers’ beliefs, Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to Peter Carr:</p>
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Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
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<p>Jefferson will always be a hero of mine.  The skepticism and value of reason over tradition just brings a smile to my face.  </p>
<p>That line is as relevant today as ever.  If your god really is the one true creator of this universe and he gave us all the attributes we have (created in his image and so on), would he truly not value reason over blind obedience?</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not surprised it’s missing. Try adding some space to the bottom of the post. That’s another thing I have to fix. There isn’t enough space at the bottom, so any graphics at the bottom of a post are getting clipped. If you look at the HTML for that post, you’ll see I added a blank space after the player. That allowed the whole thing to appear for me. I suspect IE8 is just more sensitive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I opened up the Dev Tools and tried fiddling with the HTML and CSS.  It turns out there is plenty of space, it&#039;s just not rendering the object tag.  What&#039;s weirder is if I take the object&#039;s URL and open that in its own tab, it works fine.  If it&#039;s working for others with IE7, I wouldn&#039;t sweat it, it&#039;s probably just a IE 8 beta bug. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not surprised it’s missing. Try adding some space to the bottom of the post. That’s another thing I have to fix. There isn’t enough space at the bottom, so any graphics at the bottom of a post are getting clipped. If you look at the HTML for that post, you’ll see I added a blank space after the player. That allowed the whole thing to appear for me. I suspect IE8 is just more sensitive.</p></blockquote>
<p>I opened up the Dev Tools and tried fiddling with the HTML and CSS.  It turns out there is plenty of space, it&#8217;s just not rendering the object tag.  What&#8217;s weirder is if I take the object&#8217;s URL and open that in its own tab, it works fine.  If it&#8217;s working for others with IE7, I wouldn&#8217;t sweat it, it&#8217;s probably just a IE 8 beta bug. <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: davros</title>
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		<dc:creator>davros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was wonderful
i loved the &quot;I never fight with an unarmed man&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was wonderful<br />
i loved the &#8220;I never fight with an unarmed man&#8221;</p>
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