Something We All Can Agree On

This comic comes to us from Dueling Analogs (reformatted it to fit my margins).

Tom Cruise wannabe

96 Responses to “Something We All Can Agree On”

  1. OtherRob Says:

    The other flaw with Donoi’s argument is that it seems to posit only one “card player.” Sure there may be (very very large number) ways to arrange a deck of cards and only (a smaller very large number :)) seconds in the history of the universe. But when you have many many many “dealers” the chances of getting the right combination for something as unlikely as life are suddenly a whole lot better.

    And, of course, we don’t really know just how likely or unlikely life actually is. There be only a few “hands” that produce life or there may be many.

    Suddenly I have the urge to play poker for some reason. 😉

  2. Dan Says:

    Thomas,

    It is what it is. I agree with your thinking. We all have a life & belief. Accept everyones choice even though it doesn’t conform to yours. IT’S CALLED “FREEDOM”

  3. Anon Says:

    “Billy Says:
    December 25th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    This is one of the saddest things I’ve seen in a long time. Where’s the open-mindedness? Where’s the unity? It’s funny, the liberal left wingers are most guilty of what they accuse us of (Christians).

    Ron Britton Says:
    December 25th, 2008 at 3:02 am

    Billy:

    I see the Christian beating up the Scientologist too.”

    Bravo, Ron Britton. And Billy? Hate to break it to ya buddy, but you can be Christian AND a Liberal leftie. Politics and Religion are not the same thing. If you’re going to get so uppity and protective about your precious Christianity, maybe you should know a little more about it.

    Also, am I imagining it or do the guys in this comic look exactly like the PC and Mac guys from the commercial…?

  4. PowerLoader Says:

    God is over rated….

  5. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Holy crap! I leave for a week to visit the parents and BoF gets overloaded with trolls! 😉

    Well, I just wanted to post that the above comic is absolute win.

    Sure, scientology is no more ridiculous than xtianity, but xtianity has to be silly — it’s a couple thousand years old. What seemed like great explanations back in the day seem silly now. Scientology, being like, what, 50 years old, should not seem nearly as silly! LRH should have learned from past religion’s mistakes.

    Or maybe I’m being too critical. Scientology is quite successful, afterall, despite all its goofiness.

  6. Ron Britton Says:

    Holy crap! I leave for a week to visit the parents and BoF gets overloaded with trolls!

    For some reason, this post got Stumbled Upon. I don’t understand why, because it isn’t original to this site. You’d think the original would have gotten the stumble instead. I guess it’s just a matter of being in the right place at the right time.

    What I don’t get is how a simple “everybody hates Scientology” comic can get everybody so riled up over unrelated issues.

  7. someone smarter then lindsay Says:

    Christians dont think what you think lindsay read the bible. maybe youll wake up and see the light. and gain some points in IQ. Your welcome.

  8. Ron Britton Says:

    Christians dont think what you think lindsay read the bible. maybe youll wake up and see the light. and gain some points in IQ. Your welcome.

    At least Lindsay is able to put together a grammatically-correct sentence.

  9. Brian Says:

    Scientology is a perfect example of human gullibility run amok. Since its inception was less than a lifetime ago, we can examine an accurate historical record to see how it has managed to bamboozle so many in such a short time. Sure, one must brave the immense wall of lawyers arrayed to defend the church against any criticism, perceived or otherwise, but that only begs the question: Why would a doctrine which is ostensibly the immutable truth of the universe need defending?

    Of course we all know the answer to that. I rather suspect that Christians who detest Scientology can grasp that simple concept, as well. Unfortunately, we and they part company when the same question is legitimately applied to Christianity. “Foul!” is cried, hypocrisy abounds, and the ignorant remain undeterred.

    It reminds me of the very wise adage about atheism: Once you understand why you reject all other religions but your own, you will understand why I reject yours as well. Also related is the saying, “You are an atheist as far as every other religion in the world is concerned. I just take it one god further.”

  10. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Why would a doctrine which is ostensibly the immutable truth of the universe need defending?

    The true answer is obvious to us, but to followers simple explanations are sufficient. For Christianity it’s always a dirty trick of the devil and for Scientology it’s the mass conspiracy of the Psychiatric profession.

  11. Brian Says:

    PL,

    I think you’ve touched on what is probably the most frustrating, hair-pulling thing about fundies – their ability to rationalize anything, no matter how inane or preposterous.

    As a rational exercise, I can understand why and how they try mightily to evade reality, even though my mind could never work like that without first having suffered some sort of brain trauma. But inevitably it becomes such a farce that, despite my long experience with people clinging to stupidity, I’m still sometimes taken aback. I can’t help but wonder what it is about a person that compels them to deny what ought to be obvious with only a cursory perusal of reason.

    I suppose there is something academically fascinating about the ways in which people believe things that are completely absurd that is worth investigating, but there is also something very tragic about so many members of our species having a virulent disdain for learning. It makes me wonder if we are capable of surviving ourselves.

  12. Lindsay Says:

    Christians dont think what you think lindsay read the bible. maybe youll wake up and see the light. and gain some points in IQ. Your welcome.

    Hehehe…I can’t say I’ve read the whole bible through and through but I’ve read a great deal of it. I feel in my own personal experience because I have seen the light…I am much happier and more comfortable with who I am now because I accepted that I just don’t have the belief. Oddly enough this came to me after taking religious studies classes at a large Jesuit university.

    My IQ points are just fine, I think it is you who needs the extra points to be able to read in context. Step away from the bible and just think…if your daughter/sister/niece etc tried to tell you they got pregnant AND they were a “virgin” you would find that awfully unbelievable, right? If someone told you a snake was talking to them, you would think they are schizophrenic, correct? I know it is probably hard to do as you’ve dedicated yourself to not question your faith and your bible, but I guarantee if something other than the bible tried to tell you those things were true you would think they are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

    By the way…I don’t have anything to thank you for, so no need to “your welcome” me.

  13. Dennis Says:

    God has spoken and some of us listen. We can leave it, but we can’t leave it
    alone. It is all inside of us like a parent and a child. We can deny the parent
    but that doesn’t make it true.

  14. Ron Britton Says:

    Dennis:

    God has spoken and some of us listen. We can leave it, but we can’t leave it alone. It is all inside of us like a parent and a child. We can deny the parent but that doesn’t make it true.

    It’s just a comic strip about Scientology. Stop reading so much into it.

  15. Hawk in Cola Says:

    I think the biggest problem that we have here is that people are trying to prove this or that religion to be fake or silly. This is like trying to nail Jello to a tree (try it sometime).

    I am a Pagan. (Pagan is NOT “devil worship” for the record. According to the Standard College Dictionary, Pa-gan, n, 1. One who is neither a Christian, a Jew nor a Moslem; a heathen, 2. In early Christian use, an idol worshipper. 3. An irreligious person). I have seen people that I call “born again Pagans” and “born again Atheists”. These are people that try to convert others to their Pagan or non-religious ways.

    I have seen Christians use the Bible to argue their points and prove their points. I have seen Scientologists use LRH’s book to prove their points.

    Where the disconnect comes in within the human mind is how much stock do you place in the documents or books that are placed in front of you as “proof”.

    My brother and I were discussing this problem and he brought up a good example. He said, “If I believe with all my heart that an invisible orange creature standing behind me is my diety, there is nothing that you can say or do to prove me wrong.”

    I responded with “Yes I can, because the little purple creature behind me says you are.”

    Here is where the logic problem comes into play. If we BOTH believed the statements we made (and for the record, this was a HYPOTHETICAL discussion, neither of us truly believe in the orange or purple creatures) how can we BOTH be correct.

    It is simply a matter of perception. As a Pagan, I do not hold the Bible to be spiritually true. I have studied the teachings of Christ as I believe he had many wonderful lessons that someone could live their life by. I also know that there is a difference in the OLD and NEW Testaments. The OLD Testament is a mixture of fable and history. The NEW Testament is an accounting of the life and teachings of Christ as seen through other people’s eyes. I have had people try to tell me that the Bible is the “Word of God”. My issue there is that it was written by man, translated and edited by man, and continues to be used by man for their individual gain.

    I am NOT saying that all Christians are bad or any religion for that matter. It is simply that you either believe as someone else does or you don’t. God is a light that shines through many windows and touches our lives in different ways. I will never tell anyone that my religion is “right” or that theirs is “wrong”. I WILL say that my religion is right for me.

    What we need in this world is understanding of one another. NO ONE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS!!!!!! The sooner that we accept this, the sooner we will be able to grow as a race.

    As for the people that are looking at the universe and the “big bang theory”. With the super colliders of today, scientists have been able to create miniature “universes” and have a better understanding of how the universe was created. We know that the universe is expanding. One question that they are trying to answer currently is whether the universe is expanding faster than the gravitational force that holds it together. If it is, then the universe will eventually die due to temperatures in the universe reaching near absolute 0. If it is not, then eventually the universe will begin to contract and we will all be crushed into a point smaller than an atom. But do not fear, neither of these will happen for a long time. (Source for the Galaxy expansion answers is Hyperspace by Dr. Michio Kaku).

  16. Lilyana Says:

    @someone smarter then lindsay
    I believe the word you are searching for is “than.” A typo in a body of text is one thing but such a mistake in a name aimed at declaring intellectual superiority is quite a gaffe. As we say on “teh interwebs,” FAIL.

  17. BFDR68 Says:

    there is just one God and there is nobody else but God we should be afraid of

  18. Ron Britton Says:

    BFDR68:

    I fixed the strange typos you had in your comment. For some reason, your “o” key must have been intermittently failing. Twice your keyboard wrote “G-d”. I knew what you meant, so I fixed it! No need to thank me. It’s just another fine service I provide.

  19. Wownerdlers Says:

    This is fucked. You guys promote ideas that some stupid fucks are actually running with. Fuck your mother, there is an idea i am running with

  20. Ron Britton Says:

    Just don’t do it with scissors.

  21. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Thanks for removing btfckr68’s spammy link. That must have also been a strange typo.

  22. b Says:

    and lindsay (A FEMALE) doesnt like the idea of an all powerful god creating a woman out of a MANs rib, so she dejects any and all of the religion… thats not intelligance, thats subconcious (or even concious) hatred of men, or hatred of power.

  23. me Says:

    this is why i believe in the one and only supreme being, the flying spaghetti monster!! long live FSM! :)

  24. Lindsay Says:

    Eh, I don’t hate men. I like getting laid too much.

  25. Parrotlover77 Says:

    That must have been one huge rib or one small woman!

    More likely ancient misogynists didn’t like the idea that all human life seemed to spring forth from the female womb, so they had to make up an odd myth to explain how women actually came from men. Awesome!

  26. uneasy Says:

    Its just a comic. get over yourselves. All this bickering a clammering back and forth. Is this what intellectuals do with their spare time? Man. Get outside and enjoy some fresh air. Breathe man breathe!!

  27. Bob Says:

    I think what this comic strip shows is that all Christians are boring men wearing glasses, that all atheists are constantly masturbating and that nobody likes a Scientologists. If they do, they probably are one. If they like Scientologists and they aren’t one themselves, they don’t know what Scientology is and are probably a bit stupid.
    I think the ensuing comments show that I am better than every single one of you and that if you respond to this post with an angry shouty “God will smite you” or “I’m gonna beat you and fuck yo mom cos I don’t know how to pick my own nose” kind of post then you really are stupid and I hope you are removed from humanity’s gene pool by a fortunate accident.
    Remember, the Flying Spaghetti Monster forgives all for their sins. But only because He knows no better.

  28. poshpaws Says:

    It’s offensive, in a ” too shallow to be REALLY offensive” sort of way.

  29. Paint It Alive Says:

    I think it’s an interesting topic…in my opinion Scientology is ridiculous. But for arguments sake, few releigions were taken seriously when they began…the Romans despised early Christians, for instance. I think the bible was written as a moral and ethical book of fables, to guide people into being civil…religion also offers reassurence..everyone in some way wants to be reassured. I don’t think I believe in god. I pray sometimes. Halfheartedly. Sometimes I wish I COULD believe that if I were good, a God or someone would save me from it all. Then again…has anyone seen Bill Maher’s Religulous? If I did believe that, I think in ways I wouldn’t be proactive in m own life. Much of what I’ve overcome, has been on my own, through what I’ve worked for. I don’t think that would have been acomplished if I believed it were already mapped out, there was nothing I could do, or that a supreme being would overtake it all and save me…no…I think atheism can spurn self-help, and by my never learning to believe in god, I’ve come to believe in the power of people, myself, and what the world can accomplish. Lol idk. I can see both sides easily. There’s no way to prove that any religion is true or not. I think religion is within oneself. I think I worship what I have the power to do, No god has brought me out from a pickle…but I have. Then there are those that say, well, God enabled you to fend for yourself. I don’t know. I don’t want to. I want to keep philosophying. Can anyone get back to me? I love to disscuss this, it’s so interesting. Lol I’m the only kid my know who likes this stuff, but it’s interesting, dn’t you think? thanks

  30. tuetis Says:

    I am a Christian, and I think it is hilarious that Atheists hate Christians just because our simple little minds can’t comprehend certain things. They repel what they themselves cannot understand. It’s like saying “because I don’t understand what Einstein said, obviously he was wrong and foolish.”

  31. freddies_dead Says:

    You’re absolutely right tuetis, advocating Christianity is exactly like saying because I don’t understand what Einstein said, obviously he was wrong and foolish.”

  32. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I did a double-take on that tuetis post.

  33. Lindsay Says:

    PL77, I believe tuetis gave us a fine example of irony.

  34. Sarah Says:

    Hot damn where are the lulz, guys? I swear, this is almost as bad as the 200-? page Edward Cullen board on AskaNinjaFans (facepalm)

    To fundies of all faiths: Stop taking the post out of context. Please direct any comments on evolution, politics, morality, etc to the correct topics.

    Thank you and have a wonderful day. ^w^

  35. Derricia Says:

    The difference between Christianity’s “crazy” beliefs and the crazy shit we hear about scientology is the fact that atleast some of the stuff in Christianity has been proven. there was such a thing as the holy grail and it is proven that Jesus was a real man. i dont see the proof of aliens coming to Earth and injecting their souls into human bodies. Some Christians may argue that it is our soul that makes us human and others argue its our intellect. Either way, even if some big guy in the sky or matter coming out of nothing (big bang: which violates the Conservation of mass law) or that all the mass was in a tiny ball and expanded (which also hasnt been proven to be possible) WHATEVER! No other religion can critisize another one. People who argue about the branches of Christianity are just dumb. You are not considering the Christians who do not place themselves into a category but are merely christians. This is arguement that will never end and even so called atheists have their very own set of beliefs (or if you want to say religion) They need their beliefs for confort and to be honest i think some people become atheists for attention.. just to be “different”

    I personally think that Jews are kind of retarded. You believe in the first half of the Bible but not the second? Thats like saying half of a person exists and you refuse to acknowledge the other half (stupid metephor) doesnt really make sense..

    everyone is entitled to their opinion but in reality no one has room to judge.. and come on guys it was a JOKE!

  36. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Derricia – Well, L. Ron was a real man. And who knows, maybe out there in the vastness of the universe there’s an alien dude named Xenu.

    As for Jesus… Certainly there was a dude around that time period named Jesus (it was a common name). And there is a good chance there was a real dude named Jesus that was crucified and he might have even had diciples and followers in his own new little cult.

    But did all the myths ascribed to the mythical Jesus as described in the gospels really happen to a real dude named Jesus? Ehhh, not likely.

    My point: there’s about equal ‘evidence’ of factuality for both religions.

    Oh lord, please save me from your followers… I think that when anybody invokes one of the Conservation laws to prove a prevailing scientific theory is not possible in an internet forum, it should be a form of Godwin’s Law.

    And the last little anti-semitic part? You clearly Poed out on that one. Wow, that was some seriously offensive massive racist ignorance.

  37. Lindsay Says:

    LMAO…the first five books of the Old Testament (Torah) are much, much older than the New Testament. And remember Derricia…Jesus was a Jew, so you basically called your “savior” a ‘tard. Nice!

  38. Sabrina Says:

    Cute cartoon, I love those guys! Great commentary on religious views and tolerance.

    Fascinating discussion, I got here through “Stumble Upon.” Thank you for the information, and all of the comments have been very interesting. I came across the following link regarding the Origins of Scientology (the Campbell-Hubbard bet), it’s quite interesting as well!
    http://www.skepticfiles.org/skeptic/scient4d.htm

    BTW how about, we are all “children of God,” we are all “God,” everything (the Universe) is “God.” I believe in ‘The Secret’ and ‘What the Bleep Do We Know?’

  39. Mike Says:

    Hey, religious people- wake up…none of you are right. There is no God. If there were a God, he/she would not expect people to worship him, sacrifice for him, kill for him, pray to him, etc…since he/she would be all powerful and our emotions would mean nothing.

    Get on with your lives- be good people because you love each other and want to be good people and live good lives. Live for today- there is no afterlife.

  40. CHUCKFINALE Says:

    Come on! Leave the “rebranded mormonology” alone! at least they never had a crusade or told Africans not to wear condoms.

  41. Syldoran Says:

    Ow.

    I think I broke my brain reading all these comments–not because I just read 90+ comments in one sitting, because I’ve done worse, but because it amazes me how many Christian folks have found it necessary to stumble along over here and voice their loud opinions.

    I bet I could show this to a couple of Christian friends and they’d laugh their asses off. It’s like these guys are trying to be offended. If anything, we’re insult Scientologists more with this comic, yet I haven’t seen one of them come along and be pissed.

    Jesus. (Oh, wait, my bad. I seem to have used the lord’s name in vain or some shiznit. JESUS CHRIST WHAT HAVE I DONE.)

  42. zee Says:

    have any of the camps in this idiotic debate heard of a concept called “metaphor”???

  43. Lake Says:

    I dislike the fanatics on both sides. The one that makes Christians look stupid, and ignorant, and the one that makes Athiests look like pompus snobs who have no knowledge of either science or religion. Personally, I think the main problems Athiest are having (besides a lot of them being just hateful and close minded in general on the internet) with Christianity is creation, Evolution, and Jesus doing miracles, his birth ect. I have waited to tell you this because of everyones bias, I am a Christian, I hope you will be objective, and not just an asswipe.

  44. Lake Says:

    @CHUCKFINALE—–Screw catholics

  45. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Well. If…

    Personally, I think the main problems Athiest are having (besides a lot of them being just hateful and close minded in general on the internet)

    And you were hoping…

    …I am a Christian, I hope you will be objective, and not just an asswipe.

    Then…
    Fuck off.

    That said, the statement of, “I dislike the fanatics on both sides” reminds me a lot of the political debate where the precious middle road is fawned over by the media because they are able to balance in the middle of voting for candidates who will anally rape their civil rights and those who will anally rape their savings accounts. In other words, they are middle road because they vote Republican or blue dog Democrat. (Is there a difference?)

    Bad metaphors aside, I wish people would cite examples of the big meanie atheists. I have yet to see anything particularly egregious. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but we have well known religious leaders like Pat Robertson blaming the Hatian earthquake on the Hatians not kissing his God’s ass enough (true story), whereas we have P.Z. Meyers driving a nail through a stale piece of bread.

    You tell me which is worse.

  46. Jeff Eyges Says:

    ad metaphors aside, I wish people would cite examples of the big meanie atheists. I have yet to see anything particularly egregious. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but we have well known religious leaders like Pat Robertson blaming the Hatian earthquake on the Hatians not kissing his God’s ass enough (true story), whereas we have P.Z. Meyers driving a nail through a stale piece of bread.

    In addition – and no one ever mentions this – there seem to be a hell of a lot more batshit insane religionists than there are batshit insane atheists.

    (Two things:

    1. Why do they insist upon spelling it “athiest”? Don’t all browsers have spell-checkers now?

    2. He did capitalize it, though. Does that make us a religion?)