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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(yes, that was a shameless plug)  ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - Yes, you should!  Every once in a while I put a funny in cafepress and make a few cents.  I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s worth it considering the time invested versus profit returned, but what the heck.  http://www.cafepress.com/bigoil </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; Yes, you should!  Every once in a while I put a funny in cafepress and make a few cents.  I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s worth it considering the time invested versus profit returned, but what the heck.  <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/bigoil" rel="nofollow">http://www.cafepress.com/bigoil</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Blue:

The original said monkeys.  I modified it to say Republicans.  Maybe I should open up a Cafe Press store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Blue:</p>
<p>The original said monkeys.  I modified it to say Republicans.  Maybe I should open up a Cafe Press store.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!! Love the edit to my post - where do you get these pictures?  I want this on a T-shirt - I bet I could sell it to those truculent Repubs coming out of a McCain rally.  They&#039;d probably wear it as some sort of perverse point of pride, sort of like certain southern folks with their Confederate flags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!! Love the edit to my post &#8211; where do you get these pictures?  I want this on a T-shirt &#8211; I bet I could sell it to those truculent Repubs coming out of a McCain rally.  They&#8217;d probably wear it as some sort of perverse point of pride, sort of like certain southern folks with their Confederate flags.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR - You&#039;re right on about McCain. Today, when he corrected the Wal-Mart shopper who got up and called Obama an Arab, he looked like he was having a painful attack of gas.  I doubt that his conscience was seriously perturbed by the ignorant hatred of his loony followers - I think some of his slightly more intelligent advisors told him that he had to look more &quot;Presidential&quot; - you know, like showing a shred of human decency and respect, instead of just acting like an old crap-flinging monkey at a zoo.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/orig/manip/2008/fling-feces.gif&quot; width=&quot;468&quot; height=&quot;300&quot; class=&quot;centered&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;Republicans at work&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR &#8211; You&#8217;re right on about McCain. Today, when he corrected the Wal-Mart shopper who got up and called Obama an Arab, he looked like he was having a painful attack of gas.  I doubt that his conscience was seriously perturbed by the ignorant hatred of his loony followers &#8211; I think some of his slightly more intelligent advisors told him that he had to look more &#8220;Presidential&#8221; &#8211; you know, like showing a shred of human decency and respect, instead of just acting like an old crap-flinging monkey at a zoo.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/orig/manip/2008/fling-feces.gif" width="468" height="300" class="centered" border="0" alt="Republicans at work" /></p>
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		<title>By: LadyRavana</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyRavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Fundies are a real one-note symphony. They’ll keep on hitting that screaming high C (Obama Hussein Barack’s A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!), no matter how many times every one else rolls their eyes and plugs their ears. Obama could rise from the dead with holes in his hands and feet, with Jebus slapping him on the back and calling him “goodbuddy”, and the stoopids would still claim he’s a closet Muslim, because that’s the groove they’re stuck in, the only string left on their guitar. And of course, it’s just because they can’t say the “N” word. “Muslim” is just code.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sue Blue-Earlier tonight, I saw a videoclip of a bunch of McCain supporters taking to the streets yelling things like &quot;BOO Obama! Obama&#039;s a Muslim! Obama&#039;s a Muslim!&quot; And shouting other things. I just stared and cringed. 

The stupid. It&#039;s painful. I honestly can&#039;t understand how McCain would want to be associated with those lunatics, but then, I must remember, the lunatics make up a good percentage of his base. 

I&#039;ve also noted that any time McCain says something &quot;positive&quot; about Obama in front of the cameras, I swear I can practically see him gritting his teeth. It&#039;s almost funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fundies are a real one-note symphony. They’ll keep on hitting that screaming high C (Obama Hussein Barack’s A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!), no matter how many times every one else rolls their eyes and plugs their ears. Obama could rise from the dead with holes in his hands and feet, with Jebus slapping him on the back and calling him “goodbuddy”, and the stoopids would still claim he’s a closet Muslim, because that’s the groove they’re stuck in, the only string left on their guitar. And of course, it’s just because they can’t say the “N” word. “Muslim” is just code.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sue Blue-Earlier tonight, I saw a videoclip of a bunch of McCain supporters taking to the streets yelling things like &#8220;BOO Obama! Obama&#8217;s a Muslim! Obama&#8217;s a Muslim!&#8221; And shouting other things. I just stared and cringed. </p>
<p>The stupid. It&#8217;s painful. I honestly can&#8217;t understand how McCain would want to be associated with those lunatics, but then, I must remember, the lunatics make up a good percentage of his base. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noted that any time McCain says something &#8220;positive&#8221; about Obama in front of the cameras, I swear I can practically see him gritting his teeth. It&#8217;s almost funny.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyRavana</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyRavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PL-

Your post made me think of a quote from Stigmata: &quot;The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there.  Lift a stone and you will find me.&quot;

I may by no means be religious...but, I wish that they&#039;d take a sentiment like this to heart. After all, according to Christians, isn&#039;t God everywhere? He doesn&#039;t just exist in the church, right?

But of course, they like to justify it by saying the higher the steeple, the closer to Gawd, I&#039;m sure.

It&#039;s kind of a shame, because I will admit that I&#039;ve always loved the beautiful Gothic architecture on some of the really old Catholic churches. But...since those beautiful Catholic churches are tax-exempt, and thus the rest of us have to foot the bill while they get a free ride...I suppose I should look at them in a different light.

But yeah, it would be nice that if the churches MUST get involved in politics, they should have to pay to get in. They shouldn&#039;t get a free ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PL-</p>
<p>Your post made me think of a quote from Stigmata: &#8220;The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there.  Lift a stone and you will find me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I may by no means be religious&#8230;but, I wish that they&#8217;d take a sentiment like this to heart. After all, according to Christians, isn&#8217;t God everywhere? He doesn&#8217;t just exist in the church, right?</p>
<p>But of course, they like to justify it by saying the higher the steeple, the closer to Gawd, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of a shame, because I will admit that I&#8217;ve always loved the beautiful Gothic architecture on some of the really old Catholic churches. But&#8230;since those beautiful Catholic churches are tax-exempt, and thus the rest of us have to foot the bill while they get a free ride&#8230;I suppose I should look at them in a different light.</p>
<p>But yeah, it would be nice that if the churches MUST get involved in politics, they should have to pay to get in. They shouldn&#8217;t get a free ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundies are a real one-note symphony.  They&#039;ll keep on hitting that screaming high C (Obama Hussein Barack&#039;s A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!), no matter how many times every one else rolls their eyes and plugs their ears.  Obama could rise from the dead with holes in his hands and feet, with Jebus slapping him on the back and calling him &quot;goodbuddy&quot;, and the stoopids would still claim he&#039;s a closet Muslim, because that&#039;s the groove they&#039;re stuck in, the only string left on their guitar.  And of course, it&#039;s just because they can&#039;t say the &quot;N&quot; word.  &quot;Muslim&quot; is just code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundies are a real one-note symphony.  They&#8217;ll keep on hitting that screaming high C (Obama Hussein Barack&#8217;s A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!), no matter how many times every one else rolls their eyes and plugs their ears.  Obama could rise from the dead with holes in his hands and feet, with Jebus slapping him on the back and calling him &#8220;goodbuddy&#8221;, and the stoopids would still claim he&#8217;s a closet Muslim, because that&#8217;s the groove they&#8217;re stuck in, the only string left on their guitar.  And of course, it&#8217;s just because they can&#8217;t say the &#8220;N&#8221; word.  &#8220;Muslim&#8221; is just code.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree about the energy cost, btw.  Have an allowance for the energy use on their plot of land and if they exceed that due to unnecessary architecture (vaulted ceilings), they pay taxes on their energy.

Have you seen those churches that rent out a little space in industrial buildings?  That&#039;s WJWD.  Low cost, they get their god on, nothing fancy.  Ridiculously fancy churches really miss the whole &quot;point&quot; of Christianity, at least according to their precious bibley -- certainly not according to &lt;em&gt;history&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree about the energy cost, btw.  Have an allowance for the energy use on their plot of land and if they exceed that due to unnecessary architecture (vaulted ceilings), they pay taxes on their energy.</p>
<p>Have you seen those churches that rent out a little space in industrial buildings?  That&#8217;s WJWD.  Low cost, they get their god on, nothing fancy.  Ridiculously fancy churches really miss the whole &#8220;point&#8221; of Christianity, at least according to their precious bibley &#8212; certainly not according to <em>history</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about taxing non-profits.  That seems extreme -- churches included.  The system we have is flawed, but a drastic change like that would be met with hostility that won&#039;t help our cause and will certainly have a lot of collateral damage to good honest charities.

I think enforcing the existing laws (such as removing tax exempt status when getting political from the pulpit) is good enough in this case.  In addition, it might be good to crack down more on the MegaChurches that are only &quot;non-profit&quot; on paper.  For example, extraordinarily large paychecks, non-religious structures on premises (gyms, swimming pools, and so on), fancy cars bought under the church&#039;s name, revenue exceeding a certain amount (say, a million) with an unusually small percentage going towards actual charity work, etc., etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about taxing non-profits.  That seems extreme &#8212; churches included.  The system we have is flawed, but a drastic change like that would be met with hostility that won&#8217;t help our cause and will certainly have a lot of collateral damage to good honest charities.</p>
<p>I think enforcing the existing laws (such as removing tax exempt status when getting political from the pulpit) is good enough in this case.  In addition, it might be good to crack down more on the MegaChurches that are only &#8220;non-profit&#8221; on paper.  For example, extraordinarily large paychecks, non-religious structures on premises (gyms, swimming pools, and so on), fancy cars bought under the church&#8217;s name, revenue exceeding a certain amount (say, a million) with an unusually small percentage going towards actual charity work, etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your comment that not taxing churches is actually a subsidy; I had never thought of that before.  Yes, all non-profits should be taxed.  For example a block of churches can kill a tax base.  Every little denomination has to have their own piece of real estate.  For one reason I&#039;d say it keeps them honest.  If they have to pay taxes they must get sincere support.  Another issue is how churches elevate the costs of energy for the poor (and the rest of us.)  Case in point, the vaulted ceiling of a church can cost thousands of dollars to heat each month.  Since they increase demand we all end up paying more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your comment that not taxing churches is actually a subsidy; I had never thought of that before.  Yes, all non-profits should be taxed.  For example a block of churches can kill a tax base.  Every little denomination has to have their own piece of real estate.  For one reason I&#8217;d say it keeps them honest.  If they have to pay taxes they must get sincere support.  Another issue is how churches elevate the costs of energy for the poor (and the rest of us.)  Case in point, the vaulted ceiling of a church can cost thousands of dollars to heat each month.  Since they increase demand we all end up paying more.</p>
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		<title>By: Masfina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masfina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed at the reference to Happy Jihad&#039;s House of Pancakes. Long live Bing McGhandi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed at the reference to Happy Jihad&#8217;s House of Pancakes. Long live Bing McGhandi.</p>
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