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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...Powell&#039;s is much better anyway. It&#039;s even more awesome if you can go there in person, but it&#039;s a couple thousand miles away at the moment. *tear*

However, I would like to point out (although I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s been pointed out already) that they&#039;re probably not using native English speakers for customer service - their electronic customer service was probably outsourced to India just like a lot of telephone customer service has been. If that&#039;s the case, the distinction between pre- and post- may not be clear to the customer service representatives, as there are a few languages which don&#039;t make a triple distinction between past, present, and future - some only have past and non-past (or future and non-future). Sadly, I&#039;m ignorant of where Hindi and other (non-Indo-European) Indian languages fall :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;Powell&#8217;s is much better anyway. It&#8217;s even more awesome if you can go there in person, but it&#8217;s a couple thousand miles away at the moment. *tear*</p>
<p>However, I would like to point out (although I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s been pointed out already) that they&#8217;re probably not using native English speakers for customer service &#8211; their electronic customer service was probably outsourced to India just like a lot of telephone customer service has been. If that&#8217;s the case, the distinction between pre- and post- may not be clear to the customer service representatives, as there are a few languages which don&#8217;t make a triple distinction between past, present, and future &#8211; some only have past and non-past (or future and non-future). Sadly, I&#8217;m ignorant of where Hindi and other (non-Indo-European) Indian languages fall <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of us don&#039;t accept it as normal (or, more accurately, what &lt;em&gt;should be&lt;/em&gt; normal), but the anger usually doesn&#039;t result in enough financial harm to the seller to make a difference.

On the subject of out-sourced tech support (a very closely related topic), I like what Dell has done.  You can get free tech support from India as part of the basic package with a computer purchase, or you can opt-in for an American call center for like $50 or something.  (I forgot the price as it&#039;s been a little while since my last consumer workstation purchase (as an aside, their enterprise tech support is top-notch).)

Okay, you are probably saying, but why should I have to &lt;em&gt;pay&lt;/em&gt; for what should be standard?  Well, on the surface, I agree with that sentiment.  But I also realize there&#039;s a competitive market reality they have to deal with.  They are competing with many other companies that do not offer that option and there&#039;s no way for them to be profitable on the item if they offered an American call center for free compared to the competition&#039;s dirt cheap sweatshop center.  (In the USA, we can&#039;t hire somebody for $5/day to answer phones.)

What I like is that I&#039;m given a choice to choose better customer service.  If enough people opt-in, the price should go down and may, someday, become standard again as other companies have to move call centers back to the USA to compete.

It&#039;s not an ideal situation, but at least you have a choice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us don&#8217;t accept it as normal (or, more accurately, what <em>should be</em> normal), but the anger usually doesn&#8217;t result in enough financial harm to the seller to make a difference.</p>
<p>On the subject of out-sourced tech support (a very closely related topic), I like what Dell has done.  You can get free tech support from India as part of the basic package with a computer purchase, or you can opt-in for an American call center for like $50 or something.  (I forgot the price as it&#8217;s been a little while since my last consumer workstation purchase (as an aside, their enterprise tech support is top-notch).)</p>
<p>Okay, you are probably saying, but why should I have to <em>pay</em> for what should be standard?  Well, on the surface, I agree with that sentiment.  But I also realize there&#8217;s a competitive market reality they have to deal with.  They are competing with many other companies that do not offer that option and there&#8217;s no way for them to be profitable on the item if they offered an American call center for free compared to the competition&#8217;s dirt cheap sweatshop center.  (In the USA, we can&#8217;t hire somebody for $5/day to answer phones.)</p>
<p>What I like is that I&#8217;m given a choice to choose better customer service.  If enough people opt-in, the price should go down and may, someday, become standard again as other companies have to move call centers back to the USA to compete.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an ideal situation, but at least you have a choice!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, I had a problem with a refund.  It wasn&#039;t as much as it was supposed to be.  I called them (back in those days, they had an 800 number you could call).  The person I talked to couldn&#039;t explain the difference, so he just gave me the full refund amount.  That&#039;s good customer service.  It&#039;s what I am used to.  They can&#039;t even live up to their own standards anymore.

You&#039;re probably right about my email getting lumped with the others about the post-price guarantee.  The first-level CSR monkeys have to be more competent than that, though.  As consumers, we shouldn&#039;t accept that as normal.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/cust-service2.gif&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;562&quot; class=&quot;centered&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;I&#039;m on the wrong planet!&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, I had a problem with a refund.  It wasn&#8217;t as much as it was supposed to be.  I called them (back in those days, they had an 800 number you could call).  The person I talked to couldn&#8217;t explain the difference, so he just gave me the full refund amount.  That&#8217;s good customer service.  It&#8217;s what I am used to.  They can&#8217;t even live up to their own standards anymore.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right about my email getting lumped with the others about the post-price guarantee.  The first-level CSR monkeys have to be more competent than that, though.  As consumers, we shouldn&#8217;t accept that as normal.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/cust-service2.gif" width="400" height="562" class="centered" border="0" alt="I'm on the wrong planet!" /></p>
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		<title>By: ericsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened is that your problem coincided with their quiet removal of the 30 day price protection guarantee. Prior to September, if Amazon reduced the price on any item you had bought within the past 30 days, all you had to do was email them to get them to refund you the difference.

Since you were writing about a price adjustment, your request got inserted into a deluge of complaints from customers who wanted a post-purchase price adjustment and were being sent the form letter by the first-level CSR monkeys.

I love Amazon, and I think their customer support is just about the best out there, but once in a while you run into a problem. I had the best luck with phone support; if you go to the help page you can get someone to call you back right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened is that your problem coincided with their quiet removal of the 30 day price protection guarantee. Prior to September, if Amazon reduced the price on any item you had bought within the past 30 days, all you had to do was email them to get them to refund you the difference.</p>
<p>Since you were writing about a price adjustment, your request got inserted into a deluge of complaints from customers who wanted a post-purchase price adjustment and were being sent the form letter by the first-level CSR monkeys.</p>
<p>I love Amazon, and I think their customer support is just about the best out there, but once in a while you run into a problem. I had the best luck with phone support; if you go to the help page you can get someone to call you back right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas, PE SE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas, PE SE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought one item from Amazon.  When they insisted I start an &quot;account&quot;, and then saved my credit card number after I asked several times to have my &quot;account&quot; closed, I never ordeded from them again!
Joke&#039;s on them.  A few years later, that card was lost, and we got new numbers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought one item from Amazon.  When they insisted I start an &#8220;account&#8221;, and then saved my credit card number after I asked several times to have my &#8220;account&#8221; closed, I never ordeded from them again!<br />
Joke&#8217;s on them.  A few years later, that card was lost, and we got new numbers!</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the principal of the matter!  I agree with Ron.  I always make a big stink when I get crappy customer service.  Call me a crazy liberal, but I think customer service should not be operated overseas by somebody who barely speaks the native language of the purchaser.  I know -- it&#039;s crazy talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the principal of the matter!  I agree with Ron.  I always make a big stink when I get crappy customer service.  Call me a crazy liberal, but I think customer service should not be operated overseas by somebody who barely speaks the native language of the purchaser.  I know &#8212; it&#8217;s crazy talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not super grievous.  My grievance is that it shows their incompetence and cluelessness about the importance of customer service.  I managed to get satisfaction this time, but they act like it took them a Herculean effort to do so.  The next time there is a problem with an order, I&#039;m likely to be screwed.  I&#039;m just saying that it&#039;s wiser to take this as a warning and avoid future grief.  There are a lot of other places out there that will be happy for the business and understand what customer service is supposed to be.

BTW, all of the used booksellers that Amazon carries (plus many more) are also available at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abebooks.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Go to AbeBooks. Opens in new window.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AbeBooks&lt;/a&gt;.  The prices are often a tiny bit better at Abe, because the commission is lower.  If I want used, I always check Abe first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not super grievous.  My grievance is that it shows their incompetence and cluelessness about the importance of customer service.  I managed to get satisfaction this time, but they act like it took them a Herculean effort to do so.  The next time there is a problem with an order, I&#8217;m likely to be screwed.  I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s wiser to take this as a warning and avoid future grief.  There are a lot of other places out there that will be happy for the business and understand what customer service is supposed to be.</p>
<p>BTW, all of the used booksellers that Amazon carries (plus many more) are also available at <a href="http://www.abebooks.com/" target="_blank" title="Go to AbeBooks. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">AbeBooks</a>.  The prices are often a tiny bit better at Abe, because the commission is lower.  If I want used, I always check Abe first.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t seem that grievous to me.  I&#039;ve always liked how they sell used items from various sellers and the shipping is required to be reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t seem that grievous to me.  I&#8217;ve always liked how they sell used items from various sellers and the shipping is required to be reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WCG:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I never buy anything before it’s been released and the price is firm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If nothing else, that is the lesson here.  I foolishly believed that they would actually do what they said.

It appears that prices are likely to change with prerelease products, presumably as the publisher reconsiders marketing plans and such.  Since that seems to happen more than I realized, waiting for release is the wisest course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WCG:</p>
<blockquote><p>I never buy anything before it’s been released and the price is firm</p></blockquote>
<p>If nothing else, that is the lesson here.  I foolishly believed that they would actually do what they said.</p>
<p>It appears that prices are likely to change with prerelease products, presumably as the publisher reconsiders marketing plans and such.  Since that seems to happen more than I realized, waiting for release is the wisest course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never had such a bad problem with Amazon, but I agree with Ron.  I&#039;m not sure I would boycott a company forever, but they certainly wouldn&#039;t get repeat business for a few months to a year.  

The problem is the email support (and most call support) centers do NOT read emails complete and ARE employed by those who do not read/write English clearly.  That&#039;s because you are corresponding with a sweatshop worker in some poor country, who is getting paid 65 cents per day to support his wife, five kids, parents, grandparents, and in-laws.  Viva Capitalism!  Although since we, the American people, now own Fannie, Freddie, and AIG, I guess we&#039;re socialists now... or something.  Your Republican deregulation at work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never had such a bad problem with Amazon, but I agree with Ron.  I&#8217;m not sure I would boycott a company forever, but they certainly wouldn&#8217;t get repeat business for a few months to a year.  </p>
<p>The problem is the email support (and most call support) centers do NOT read emails complete and ARE employed by those who do not read/write English clearly.  That&#8217;s because you are corresponding with a sweatshop worker in some poor country, who is getting paid 65 cents per day to support his wife, five kids, parents, grandparents, and in-laws.  Viva Capitalism!  Although since we, the American people, now own Fannie, Freddie, and AIG, I guess we&#8217;re socialists now&#8230; or something.  Your Republican deregulation at work!</p>
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		<title>By: WCG</title>
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		<dc:creator>WCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a surprise? Whenever I have a complaint - with ANY company - my first few emails apparently don&#039;t even get read. It takes about three times, while I&#039;m angrily insisting that they actually READ my message, before someone finally replies to what I actually said. It&#039;s frustrating, but it certainly doesn&#039;t surprise me anymore. And I must say that I&#039;ve never had a problem with Amazon.com (but then again, I never buy anything before it&#039;s been released and the price is firm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a surprise? Whenever I have a complaint &#8211; with ANY company &#8211; my first few emails apparently don&#8217;t even get read. It takes about three times, while I&#8217;m angrily insisting that they actually READ my message, before someone finally replies to what I actually said. It&#8217;s frustrating, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t surprise me anymore. And I must say that I&#8217;ve never had a problem with Amazon.com (but then again, I never buy anything before it&#8217;s been released and the price is firm).</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then I couldn&#039;t use that picture!

I let slide the fact that they didn&#039;t automatically adjust the price.  I figured that was a computer error.  Here are my objections:
a.  They should have adjusted the price when I first brought it up.
b.  instead, I had to write to them a second time.
c.  They act like they&#039;re doing me a huge favor.
d.  They didn&#039;t even understand that I was talking about the pre-order price guarantee.  They repeatedly referred to the post-order price guarantee, even after I corrected them.

I&#039;m using this as a warning for what to expect in the future.  If I ever have another problem with them, I can expect nothing but bad service, poor communication, incompetent service reps, and a high likelihood that they won&#039;t fix the problem.  I&#039;d rather shop some place that understands that customer service is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then I couldn&#8217;t use that picture!</p>
<p>I let slide the fact that they didn&#8217;t automatically adjust the price.  I figured that was a computer error.  Here are my objections:<br />
a.  They should have adjusted the price when I first brought it up.<br />
b.  instead, I had to write to them a second time.<br />
c.  They act like they&#8217;re doing me a huge favor.<br />
d.  They didn&#8217;t even understand that I was talking about the pre-order price guarantee.  They repeatedly referred to the post-order price guarantee, even after I corrected them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using this as a warning for what to expect in the future.  If I ever have another problem with them, I can expect nothing but bad service, poor communication, incompetent service reps, and a high likelihood that they won&#8217;t fix the problem.  I&#8217;d rather shop some place that understands that customer service is important.</p>
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