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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/481/on-the-3rd-anniversary-of-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1#comment-24301</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - I have read the fine print on several polls.  Gallup, at least, does say they include calls to cell phones, which is one of the &quot;not counting the kids&quot; arguments.  I&#039;m not saying polls are perfect, but I clearly remember a lot of liberals complaining about the lack of accounting for the young for the Kerry campaign when W took the poll lead torward the end.  And we all know how that election ended... 

Of course this is different than the &quot;likely voter&quot; formulas, which are quite subjective.

Sorry, not trying to piss on anybody&#039;s parade.  I&#039;m still confident Obama will win -- for a variety of reasons, but the Status Quo never met an election it didn&#039;t want to steal.  ;-)  So we can&#039;t get complacent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; I have read the fine print on several polls.  Gallup, at least, does say they include calls to cell phones, which is one of the &#8220;not counting the kids&#8221; arguments.  I&#8217;m not saying polls are perfect, but I clearly remember a lot of liberals complaining about the lack of accounting for the young for the Kerry campaign when W took the poll lead torward the end.  And we all know how that election ended&#8230; </p>
<p>Of course this is different than the &#8220;likely voter&#8221; formulas, which are quite subjective.</p>
<p>Sorry, not trying to piss on anybody&#8217;s parade.  I&#8217;m still confident Obama will win &#8212; for a variety of reasons, but the Status Quo never met an election it didn&#8217;t want to steal.  <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   So we can&#8217;t get complacent!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PL,

Yeah, and they&#039;ll also trot out the &quot;polls are meaningless&quot; canard as well. Actually, whatever lead the polls may be indicating for Obama is probably somewhat larger in reality than we are led to believe. Remember, younger first-time voters are often not included in surveys of &quot;likely&quot; voters.

I also agree wholeheartedly with you about her &quot;disgust&quot; factor. Yes, she might light the fires of those who long for the days of the Inquisition, but I think she repels normal people in at least equal numbers. She&#039;s a net loss for McCain, but then, his entire campaign and his entire party fit that description as well. 

Bring on the debates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PL,</p>
<p>Yeah, and they&#8217;ll also trot out the &#8220;polls are meaningless&#8221; canard as well. Actually, whatever lead the polls may be indicating for Obama is probably somewhat larger in reality than we are led to believe. Remember, younger first-time voters are often not included in surveys of &#8220;likely&#8221; voters.</p>
<p>I also agree wholeheartedly with you about her &#8220;disgust&#8221; factor. Yes, she might light the fires of those who long for the days of the Inquisition, but I think she repels normal people in at least equal numbers. She&#8217;s a net loss for McCain, but then, his entire campaign and his entire party fit that description as well. </p>
<p>Bring on the debates!</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh regarding poll results, remember that if the gap decreases from Obama leading by 8 to Obama leading by 6, it will be called a &quot;McCain Bounce&quot; by all the wise Village Elders of Washington Punditry, even though McCain was more competitive before the DNC.  Just something to keep in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh regarding poll results, remember that if the gap decreases from Obama leading by 8 to Obama leading by 6, it will be called a &#8220;McCain Bounce&#8221; by all the wise Village Elders of Washington Punditry, even though McCain was more competitive before the DNC.  Just something to keep in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it is true that something like 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian, I think it is far, far less that feel in any way comfortable with the fundie element.  Energizing to fundies as Palin may be, I would guess she&#039;s equally as disgusting to non-fundie Christians -- especially anybody who considers themselves remotely feminist.

Brian - I am as anxious to see the poll results after the RNC as you are!  Good times...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it is true that something like 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian, I think it is far, far less that feel in any way comfortable with the fundie element.  Energizing to fundies as Palin may be, I would guess she&#8217;s equally as disgusting to non-fundie Christians &#8212; especially anybody who considers themselves remotely feminist.</p>
<p>Brian &#8211; I am as anxious to see the poll results after the RNC as you are!  Good times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its beginning to seem as if the McCain campaign has settled on a strategy of &quot;screw the issues, start a culture war&quot;. The anti-abortion plank of the republican party platform is as draconian as it could possibly be, even to the right of Grampa. &quot;What&#039;s that, 17 year old girl raped by her stepfather and now pregnant? You want an abortion? In Jesus&#039;s name, fuck you, you little whore, and deal with it!&quot; 

For all of her obvious faults and shortcomings, Palin is &quot;energizing the base&quot;, which in itself speaks volumes about the intellectual capacities of these people. I&#039;m sure tonight will be a fundie&#039;s wet dream, and I may have to revise my earlier prediction of at least five god references in her speech. I daresay we may even get a &quot;Jesus Christ&quot; thrown in for good measure. 

So, if a renewed culture war is the strategy, will it work? Can the republicans distract us enough with the little shit to squeak out another close win? I really doubt it. Obama is no ordinary democrat, and this is no ordinary election (even though we seem to think every election is extraordinary, don&#039;t we?). He&#039;s too smart and has too much spine to let that happen this time. At best, McCain is treading water. If he doesn&#039;t get a significant bump in the polls after this convention like Obama did after his, start chilling the champagne. 

Incidentally, a betting outfit in Ireland yesterday offered 20-1 odds that Palin would be dropped from the ticket. Today the odds are now 8-1. Again, I don&#039;t really think its likely to happen, but goddammit it would sure be funny. Just imagine the fundie outrage. It brings a smile to my face just thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its beginning to seem as if the McCain campaign has settled on a strategy of &#8220;screw the issues, start a culture war&#8221;. The anti-abortion plank of the republican party platform is as draconian as it could possibly be, even to the right of Grampa. &#8220;What&#8217;s that, 17 year old girl raped by her stepfather and now pregnant? You want an abortion? In Jesus&#8217;s name, fuck you, you little whore, and deal with it!&#8221; </p>
<p>For all of her obvious faults and shortcomings, Palin is &#8220;energizing the base&#8221;, which in itself speaks volumes about the intellectual capacities of these people. I&#8217;m sure tonight will be a fundie&#8217;s wet dream, and I may have to revise my earlier prediction of at least five god references in her speech. I daresay we may even get a &#8220;Jesus Christ&#8221; thrown in for good measure. </p>
<p>So, if a renewed culture war is the strategy, will it work? Can the republicans distract us enough with the little shit to squeak out another close win? I really doubt it. Obama is no ordinary democrat, and this is no ordinary election (even though we seem to think every election is extraordinary, don&#8217;t we?). He&#8217;s too smart and has too much spine to let that happen this time. At best, McCain is treading water. If he doesn&#8217;t get a significant bump in the polls after this convention like Obama did after his, start chilling the champagne. </p>
<p>Incidentally, a betting outfit in Ireland yesterday offered 20-1 odds that Palin would be dropped from the ticket. Today the odds are now 8-1. Again, I don&#8217;t really think its likely to happen, but goddammit it would sure be funny. Just imagine the fundie outrage. It brings a smile to my face just thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Fundies insist that abstinence-only sex education is effective.

Bristol Palin received abstinence-only sex education.

Therefore, this must be an immaculate conception.

JESUS CHRIST!!!! Sarah Palin is the grandmother of JESUS CHRIST! 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That makes perfect sense.  It explains everything too.  The media attacking Palin is simply the devil (or god?) making her go through trials and tribulations before assuming command of the World&#039;s Most Powerful Military For Jesus&#8482;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fundies insist that abstinence-only sex education is effective.</p>
<p>Bristol Palin received abstinence-only sex education.</p>
<p>Therefore, this must be an immaculate conception.</p>
<p>JESUS CHRIST!!!! Sarah Palin is the grandmother of JESUS CHRIST!
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<p>That makes perfect sense.  It explains everything too.  The media attacking Palin is simply the devil (or god?) making her go through trials and tribulations before assuming command of the World&#8217;s Most Powerful Military For Jesus&trade;.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to defend the Palins really, but Bristol&#039;s pregnancy being an indictment of &quot;abstinence only&quot; education is essentially a &quot;proof by example&quot; which is a logical fallacy.  I&#039;m not saying &quot;abstinence only&quot; does work, but I am saying that even with comprehensive sex ed, this girl may have gotten pregnant anyway -- &lt;em&gt;we just don&#039;t know.&lt;/em&gt;  

What we &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; say is that studies show that more pregnancies (and STDs) happen when kids are taught abstinence only education.  That is true because it is supported by numerous studies.  But Bristol -- there is no way to know.

It is a nice tactic for a political pundit on the attack, but I&#039;m just saying that since we hold the superstitious to a higher level of logic, we need to follow the same rule.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to defend the Palins really, but Bristol&#8217;s pregnancy being an indictment of &#8220;abstinence only&#8221; education is essentially a &#8220;proof by example&#8221; which is a logical fallacy.  I&#8217;m not saying &#8220;abstinence only&#8221; does work, but I am saying that even with comprehensive sex ed, this girl may have gotten pregnant anyway &#8212; <em>we just don&#8217;t know.</em>  </p>
<p>What we <em>can</em> say is that studies show that more pregnancies (and STDs) happen when kids are taught abstinence only education.  That is true because it is supported by numerous studies.  But Bristol &#8212; there is no way to know.</p>
<p>It is a nice tactic for a political pundit on the attack, but I&#8217;m just saying that since we hold the superstitious to a higher level of logic, we need to follow the same rule.  <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - I agree that it will be a fun ride from here on out.  Just to clarify -- everywhere I am pointing out Palin being a politically &quot;good&quot; choice for McCain and my conspiracy theories -- it&#039;s all cast in the light of the fundies and neocons influencing McCain&#039;s decisions.  My definition of &quot;good&quot; in these cases is simply &quot;better than the alternatives&quot; for the intended goals.  

McCain&#039;s ship is sinking.  It&#039;s possible the sheer might of a million fundie neocons and their $$$ could possibly bail out McCain long enough for him to remain competitive up to Nov 4, but this campaign is an absolute disaster politically!  

McCain&#039;s &lt;em&gt;best&lt;/em&gt; choice for the media coverage he desperately needed is backfiring in so many weird and wonderful ways I could have never conceived of.  It makes me smile.

I shouldn&#039;t be so surprised.  It&#039;s not like there are any neocons out there that are not completely corrupt to the core.  I should have known more would come out about Palin to make her more toxic than when she was chosen (when I guessed her benefits might outweigh her drawbacks compared to other candidates).  McCain should have too.  But grampy isn&#039;t too sharp these days.

However, don&#039;t forget that POW POW POW POW POW POW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; I agree that it will be a fun ride from here on out.  Just to clarify &#8212; everywhere I am pointing out Palin being a politically &#8220;good&#8221; choice for McCain and my conspiracy theories &#8212; it&#8217;s all cast in the light of the fundies and neocons influencing McCain&#8217;s decisions.  My definition of &#8220;good&#8221; in these cases is simply &#8220;better than the alternatives&#8221; for the intended goals.  </p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s ship is sinking.  It&#8217;s possible the sheer might of a million fundie neocons and their $$$ could possibly bail out McCain long enough for him to remain competitive up to Nov 4, but this campaign is an absolute disaster politically!  </p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s <em>best</em> choice for the media coverage he desperately needed is backfiring in so many weird and wonderful ways I could have never conceived of.  It makes me smile.</p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t be so surprised.  It&#8217;s not like there are any neocons out there that are not completely corrupt to the core.  I should have known more would come out about Palin to make her more toxic than when she was chosen (when I guessed her benefits might outweigh her drawbacks compared to other candidates).  McCain should have too.  But grampy isn&#8217;t too sharp these days.</p>
<p>However, don&#8217;t forget that POW POW POW POW POW POW</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;…she’s been associated with some of the most outrageously crazy fundies out there, not to mention being part of a secessionist movement for Alaska. So she doesn’t want her state to be part of the U.S., but expects to be VP? WTF??!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s ironic that the &quot;Party of Lincoln&quot;, who &lt;i&gt;saved the union&lt;/i&gt;, has fallen so far that they&#039;re now running a secessionist for Vice President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…she’s been associated with some of the most outrageously crazy fundies out there, not to mention being part of a secessionist movement for Alaska. So she doesn’t want her state to be part of the U.S., but expects to be VP? WTF??!!</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the &#8220;Party of Lincoln&#8221;, who <i>saved the union</i>, has fallen so far that they&#8217;re now running a secessionist for Vice President.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here is the Onenewsnow.com spin:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=235910</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is the Onenewsnow.com spin:<br />
<a href="http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=235910" rel="nofollow">http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=235910</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundies insist that abstinence-only sex education is effective.

Bristol Palin received abstinence-only sex education.

Therefore, this must be an immaculate conception.

JESUS CHRIST!!!!  Sarah Palin is the grandmother of JESUS CHRIST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundies insist that abstinence-only sex education is effective.</p>
<p>Bristol Palin received abstinence-only sex education.</p>
<p>Therefore, this must be an immaculate conception.</p>
<p>JESUS CHRIST!!!!  Sarah Palin is the grandmother of JESUS CHRIST!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard some guy on talk radio this morning on the way to work (I think it was NPR; it wasn&#039;t my car so I&#039;m not sure) say that he was &quot;sickened by all the liberals and Dems piling on poor, poor Sarah Palin and her pregnant daughter!  Family members should be off-limits politically!!  Stop picking on Palin!! Those evil libs - next they&#039;ll be saying Palin&#039;s fifth child has Down&#039;s Syndrome because Palin is an evil Repub!!!&quot;  He then castigated all those who were &quot;playing the hypocrisy card&quot; in pointing out that having a pregnant teen daughter does not reflect well on the fundy abstinence-only sex education policy or on the so-called &quot;family values&quot; party.  

While I agree that debates should focus on the issues and not on personal attacks, Palin&#039;s religio-political record has a direct bearing on the issue of teen pregnancy.  And, as I&#039;ve pointed out above, she&#039;s been associated with some of the most outrageously crazy fundies out there, not to mention being part of a secessionist movement for Alaska.  So she doesn&#039;t want her state to be part of the U.S., but expects to be VP?  WTF??!!  

So, that&#039;s the spin - we&#039;re going to hear all about how evil, base, and sexist all us libs are to this poor little purty woman and her happy, wholesome family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard some guy on talk radio this morning on the way to work (I think it was NPR; it wasn&#8217;t my car so I&#8217;m not sure) say that he was &#8220;sickened by all the liberals and Dems piling on poor, poor Sarah Palin and her pregnant daughter!  Family members should be off-limits politically!!  Stop picking on Palin!! Those evil libs &#8211; next they&#8217;ll be saying Palin&#8217;s fifth child has Down&#8217;s Syndrome because Palin is an evil Repub!!!&#8221;  He then castigated all those who were &#8220;playing the hypocrisy card&#8221; in pointing out that having a pregnant teen daughter does not reflect well on the fundy abstinence-only sex education policy or on the so-called &#8220;family values&#8221; party.  </p>
<p>While I agree that debates should focus on the issues and not on personal attacks, Palin&#8217;s religio-political record has a direct bearing on the issue of teen pregnancy.  And, as I&#8217;ve pointed out above, she&#8217;s been associated with some of the most outrageously crazy fundies out there, not to mention being part of a secessionist movement for Alaska.  So she doesn&#8217;t want her state to be part of the U.S., but expects to be VP?  WTF??!!  </p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s the spin &#8211; we&#8217;re going to hear all about how evil, base, and sexist all us libs are to this poor little purty woman and her happy, wholesome family.</p>
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