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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/480/its-still-two-times-too-many/comment-page-1#comment-24207</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have seen quite a bit of sexist media coverage toward Palin which really makes me ill.  I mean she&#039;s so incredibly unqualified on her own -- what&#039;s the point of getting sexist?  However, it&#039;s no different than the sexist garbage Hillary had to put up with and I don&#039;t remember McCain worrying too much about that.

As for Obama being sexist?  Gimme a freakin&#039; break!  All he&#039;s said so far is something to the effect of &quot;she seems like a competent choice&quot; (which is the silly mandatory opponent praising found in politics) and &quot;her family is off limits&quot; (which is consistent with what he&#039;s been saying all along about himself AND his oppoents).

&lt;em&gt;Thank you for playing Grasping For Straws!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have seen quite a bit of sexist media coverage toward Palin which really makes me ill.  I mean she&#8217;s so incredibly unqualified on her own &#8212; what&#8217;s the point of getting sexist?  However, it&#8217;s no different than the sexist garbage Hillary had to put up with and I don&#8217;t remember McCain worrying too much about that.</p>
<p>As for Obama being sexist?  Gimme a freakin&#8217; break!  All he&#8217;s said so far is something to the effect of &#8220;she seems like a competent choice&#8221; (which is the silly mandatory opponent praising found in politics) and &#8220;her family is off limits&#8221; (which is consistent with what he&#8217;s been saying all along about himself AND his oppoents).</p>
<p><em>Thank you for playing Grasping For Straws!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that those charges are being leveled by Carly Fiorina.  Now that she&#039;s done destroying Hewlett Packard, she&#039;s busy destroying McCain&#039;s campaign.

It&#039;s funny (and surprising) that they&#039;re using the line that &quot;Palin has more executive experience than Obama.&quot;  That&#039;s true.  She also has more executive experience than McCain.

Did you see the other article over at Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

It says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah.  That&#039;s who we want with a finger on The Button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that those charges are being leveled by Carly Fiorina.  Now that she&#8217;s done destroying Hewlett Packard, she&#8217;s busy destroying McCain&#8217;s campaign.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny (and surprising) that they&#8217;re using the line that &#8220;Palin has more executive experience than Obama.&#8221;  That&#8217;s true.  She also has more executive experience than McCain.</p>
<p>Did you see the other article over at Huffington Post:<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html</a></p>
<p>It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah.  That&#8217;s who we want with a finger on The Button.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/480/its-still-two-times-too-many/comment-page-1#comment-24158</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it has happened. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-levels-charge_n_123257.html

At least these goons are predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it has happened. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-levels-charge_n_123257.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-levels-charge_n_123257.html</a></p>
<p>At least these goons are predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are also all missing the other reason to pick her: CONSTANT MEDIA COVERAGE FOR MONTHS FOR NO REASON.  No matter how few PUMAs migrate to McCain (i&#039;m wagering the same amount who were going anyway, which basically made them DINO concern trolls), the media will constantly ask the &quot;will this hurt Obama?&quot; question over and over and over and over...

So there are many good reasons to pick her.  The sad thing is that she was the &lt;em&gt;best choice&lt;/em&gt; and look at us?  We&#039;re gabbing away just like the silly pundits on the teevee!  McCain won this round!

But, I still say, in the long run, McCain&#039;s entire campaign will be an epic fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are also all missing the other reason to pick her: CONSTANT MEDIA COVERAGE FOR MONTHS FOR NO REASON.  No matter how few PUMAs migrate to McCain (i&#8217;m wagering the same amount who were going anyway, which basically made them DINO concern trolls), the media will constantly ask the &#8220;will this hurt Obama?&#8221; question over and over and over and over&#8230;</p>
<p>So there are many good reasons to pick her.  The sad thing is that she was the <em>best choice</em> and look at us?  We&#8217;re gabbing away just like the silly pundits on the teevee!  McCain won this round!</p>
<p>But, I still say, in the long run, McCain&#8217;s entire campaign will be an epic fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew N.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew N.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;McSame didn’t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
QFT.  I was trying to figure out this pick from a strategic standpoint, and this is the only theory I find plausible.

Sure, at first glance it looked like a crass play for disaffected chick voters, but since Palin is about as opposite Hillary as one can be without being made of antimatter, the Clintonista-poaching hypothesis doesn&#039;t really hold up.  And while I see validity in Brian&#039;s &quot;don&#039;t hit a lady&quot; idea, I think that benefit is offset by the fact that McCain&#039;s choice takes away the inexperience card re: Obama.  But if we consider that conservative street cred has always been one of McCain&#039;s weak points, his modestly hot* veep starts to make sense.

Of course, for those of us who &lt;i&gt;haven&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; sworn a blood oath to the GOP, Mme. Palin is effing disastrous.  I mean, personally, I find both major parties... distasteful, to say the least, and normally I&#039;m loath to support what I see as merely the lesser of two evils.  In this case, however, the Republican ticket is so &lt;i&gt;blatantly&lt;/i&gt; evil that I have no choice but to throw in with Obama.  (Hell, even the Obama who only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing nutjobs would probably be better than McBain/Huckabette &#039;08.)

* You know, the kind that are only sort of hot, so they don&#039;t mess around with other guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>McSame didn’t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals.</p></blockquote>
<p>QFT.  I was trying to figure out this pick from a strategic standpoint, and this is the only theory I find plausible.</p>
<p>Sure, at first glance it looked like a crass play for disaffected chick voters, but since Palin is about as opposite Hillary as one can be without being made of antimatter, the Clintonista-poaching hypothesis doesn&#8217;t really hold up.  And while I see validity in Brian&#8217;s &#8220;don&#8217;t hit a lady&#8221; idea, I think that benefit is offset by the fact that McCain&#8217;s choice takes away the inexperience card re: Obama.  But if we consider that conservative street cred has always been one of McCain&#8217;s weak points, his modestly hot* veep starts to make sense.</p>
<p>Of course, for those of us who <i>haven&#8217;t</i> sworn a blood oath to the GOP, Mme. Palin is effing disastrous.  I mean, personally, I find both major parties&#8230; distasteful, to say the least, and normally I&#8217;m loath to support what I see as merely the lesser of two evils.  In this case, however, the Republican ticket is so <i>blatantly</i> evil that I have no choice but to throw in with Obama.  (Hell, even the Obama who only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing nutjobs would probably be better than McBain/Huckabette &#8217;08.)</p>
<p>* You know, the kind that are only sort of hot, so they don&#8217;t mess around with other guys.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyRavana</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyRavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Blue-I clicked the link...and skimmed the article. I couldn&#039;t read it; it made me physically ill.

And well...much of it didn&#039;t surprise me. I could tell Sarah Palin was foaming-at-the-mouth batshit looney from the get-go. It isn&#039;t any great revelation (to me, at least) that she&#039;s a puppet for the Dominionists. (Have done some research on them. WAY scary.) Doesn&#039;t make it any less sick-making or disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Blue-I clicked the link&#8230;and skimmed the article. I couldn&#8217;t read it; it made me physically ill.</p>
<p>And well&#8230;much of it didn&#8217;t surprise me. I could tell Sarah Palin was foaming-at-the-mouth batshit looney from the get-go. It isn&#8217;t any great revelation (to me, at least) that she&#8217;s a puppet for the Dominionists. (Have done some research on them. WAY scary.) Doesn&#8217;t make it any less sick-making or disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyRavana</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyRavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You just watch. Within the week someone from the McCain campaign, or perhaps McCain himself, will complain that his female VP selection is being criticized by the media and the left simply because she is a woman. They’ll say Obama and the democrats aren’t as friendly to women as they would like us to believe, and that republicans are the real party for women. Of course its all bullshit, but remember how stupid we Americans can be. Enough people will buy it, and what ought to be an obvious McCain weakness might very well turn out to be a surprising, if unjustified, strength. Count on it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As laughable and bizarre I think his choice is...this is really an excellent point. As much as I HATE to admit it...I&#039;ve actually gotta give McCain credit for taking such a huge gamble. The question is, will he get a lucky seven or a snake eyes? Time will tell. You said yourself Brian, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. 

Many times I&#039;ve thought &quot;Oh, come on. Nobody&#039;s THAT stupid&quot; And I&#039;ve been proven wrong many a time.

Horribly, painfully WRONG, because I&#039;ve seen many, many examples of human stupidity, and the sheer depths of our idiocy as a species still never ceases to amaze me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You just watch. Within the week someone from the McCain campaign, or perhaps McCain himself, will complain that his female VP selection is being criticized by the media and the left simply because she is a woman. They’ll say Obama and the democrats aren’t as friendly to women as they would like us to believe, and that republicans are the real party for women. Of course its all bullshit, but remember how stupid we Americans can be. Enough people will buy it, and what ought to be an obvious McCain weakness might very well turn out to be a surprising, if unjustified, strength. Count on it.</p></blockquote>
<p>As laughable and bizarre I think his choice is&#8230;this is really an excellent point. As much as I HATE to admit it&#8230;I&#8217;ve actually gotta give McCain credit for taking such a huge gamble. The question is, will he get a lucky seven or a snake eyes? Time will tell. You said yourself Brian, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. </p>
<p>Many times I&#8217;ve thought &#8220;Oh, come on. Nobody&#8217;s THAT stupid&#8221; And I&#8217;ve been proven wrong many a time.</p>
<p>Horribly, painfully WRONG, because I&#8217;ve seen many, many examples of human stupidity, and the sheer depths of our idiocy as a species still never ceases to amaze me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin doesn&#039;t have a clean slate, no matter how naive, innocent and backwoodsy she may look.  She&#039;s the worst sort of fundy - up to her tits in the Dominionist movement - and I mean wallowing in the mud with the most hard-core, foaming at the mouth, take-back-America-for-God wackaloon freakazoids.  It&#039;s scary shit; don&#039;t be fooled.  McSame didn&#039;t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals.  He may have over-reached though; it&#039;s possible she&#039;s too wacky even for the snake-handlers.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Check it out over at Daily Kos&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin doesn&#8217;t have a clean slate, no matter how naive, innocent and backwoodsy she may look.  She&#8217;s the worst sort of fundy &#8211; up to her tits in the Dominionist movement &#8211; and I mean wallowing in the mud with the most hard-core, foaming at the mouth, take-back-America-for-God wackaloon freakazoids.  It&#8217;s scary shit; don&#8217;t be fooled.  McSame didn&#8217;t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals.  He may have over-reached though; it&#8217;s possible she&#8217;s too wacky even for the snake-handlers.<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213" rel="nofollow">Check it out over at Daily Kos</a></p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed that link to McCain&#039;s website.  I never noticed this before.  Did he change his slogan?  

I am not joking when I tell you it says, &quot;Reform - Prosperity - Peace.&quot;  lolwut?

WAR=PEACE, amirite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed that link to McCain&#8217;s website.  I never noticed this before.  Did he change his slogan?  </p>
<p>I am not joking when I tell you it says, &#8220;Reform &#8211; Prosperity &#8211; Peace.&#8221;  lolwut?</p>
<p>WAR=PEACE, amirite?</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin is a fail.  My favorite quote from her: &quot;As for that VP talk all the time, I&#039;ll tell you, I still can&#039;t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I&#039;m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we&#039;re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.&quot;

Wow.  Just, wow.

Most people don&#039;t know a lot about her yet, but she&#039;s as corrupt as the rest of Alaska&#039;s Republicans.  I really feel bad for Alaska Dems.  They are living among morons voting for her, Ted Stevens, et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin is a fail.  My favorite quote from her: &#8220;As for that VP talk all the time, I&#8217;ll tell you, I still can&#8217;t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I&#8217;m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we&#8217;re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  Just, wow.</p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t know a lot about her yet, but she&#8217;s as corrupt as the rest of Alaska&#8217;s Republicans.  I really feel bad for Alaska Dems.  They are living among morons voting for her, Ted Stevens, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, try this for polling data:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

It appears that Obama is still leading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, try this for polling data:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html</a></p>
<p>It appears that Obama is still leading.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a bit out of the loop for a while, but I flipped on Hardball last night and got fairly up to speed.

Wow...McCain really didn&#039;t think this through did he? I mean, yeah, she&#039;s a good choice in the sense that she has a (for the most part) clean-slate, she&#039;s female, and she&#039;s young...but by picking her, he has killed one of his prime arguments against Obama! Then of course she has less experience than Obama and she won&#039;t appeal all that well to Hillary voters.

There will be very few Hillary voters who would vote McCain just because he picked a female VP. They don&#039;t stand for any of the policies that the Clinton campaign held during her running for the nomination. Maybe the really stupid ones will, but most will probably vote Obama simply because they both want the same standards set into play. 

If this is the kind of cheese that McCain is putting out, I doubt he will hook many fish:

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=e831507a-0b12-4356-a306-554708d14038

It&#039;s so stupid...and it reminds me of a tampon commercial for some reason. 

Last thing: Obama was leading about 8 points before he gave his acceptance speech...does anyone know if they&#039;ve changed or do we have to wait until next week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a bit out of the loop for a while, but I flipped on Hardball last night and got fairly up to speed.</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;McCain really didn&#8217;t think this through did he? I mean, yeah, she&#8217;s a good choice in the sense that she has a (for the most part) clean-slate, she&#8217;s female, and she&#8217;s young&#8230;but by picking her, he has killed one of his prime arguments against Obama! Then of course she has less experience than Obama and she won&#8217;t appeal all that well to Hillary voters.</p>
<p>There will be very few Hillary voters who would vote McCain just because he picked a female VP. They don&#8217;t stand for any of the policies that the Clinton campaign held during her running for the nomination. Maybe the really stupid ones will, but most will probably vote Obama simply because they both want the same standards set into play. </p>
<p>If this is the kind of cheese that McCain is putting out, I doubt he will hook many fish:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=e831507a-0b12-4356-a306-554708d14038" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=e831507a-0b12-4356-a306-554708d14038</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s so stupid&#8230;and it reminds me of a tampon commercial for some reason. </p>
<p>Last thing: Obama was leading about 8 points before he gave his acceptance speech&#8230;does anyone know if they&#8217;ve changed or do we have to wait until next week?</p>
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