It’s Still Two Times Too Many

Joe Biden

Joe Biden, by The Etch-A-Sketchist

(Note: An updated version of this post is available here.)

The Guardian has a quick summary of last night’s Democratic speeches, “Joe Biden’s and Bill Clinton’s Speeches by the Numbers”. I’ve made a summary of their summary:

Bill Clinton Joe Biden
Total words 1655 2335
America/American 30 22
Barack 15 27
Obama 15 22
Democrat/Democratic 2 1*
Republican 6 0
McCain 0 13
Bush 0 6
God 0 2
Hope 3 0
Hillary 3 2
Clinton 0 2
I/my/me/mine 16 63
You/your 4 33
Iraq 0 6
Iran 0 3
Women 0 2
Economy/economic 3 3
Health/healthcare 8 4
Child/children 4 8

* Democratic Country of Georgia

What jumps out at me is the presence of “God” on the list. I’m impressed that such a polished politician as Bill Clinton was able to give an entire speech without once uttering the word. Of course, he isn’t running for office.

Joe Biden, on the other hand, found it necessary to mention God twice. He is running for office. Funny how that works.

24 Responses to “It’s Still Two Times Too Many”

  1. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Democrats feel these days to get elected, they must do just that. I’m not sure I disagree, despite my personal feelings on the subject. I may not like having religion mentioned over and over by politicians, but if that simple gesture is what it takes to bring borderline-fundie voters away from the Republicans (who go way beyond in merging church and state than just simply mentioning the word “god” in speeches), then I say, do it. The media is so corrupted by conservative ideology, it may be a necessary evil this year.

    Let’s get more like-minded individuals into office before nitpicking over their religiousity — that’s my feelings…

  2. Bunkie Says:

    What do you bet that the Republicans beat the ‘god’ number by a mile. In fact, it would be interesting to see how many times god and America/American are associated together in their speeches. The Republicans are the ones who made this into such a big political issue when it shouldn’t have been an issue at all.

  3. Lindsay Says:

    I see “sweet baby jesus” didn’t make it into the speeches.

    I’ll have to see the script of Biden’s speech to see what context “God” was made in.

  4. Glen Says:

    Given the religious quotient of today’s politics, two times in an entire speech is vastly preferable to once or twice per paragraph. There are times that politicians seem to be claiming God as “my” chief of staff (or is that the other way around?).

    Frankly, I didn’t even notice.

  5. Brian Says:

    If I am not mistaken, Obama may not have even mentioned the magic man in his speech last night, except for the very end. Please, correct me if I am wrong on this, but if he did, it would have been a fleeting reference at best, otherwise I would have said, “Oh my fucking god! You’re smarter than that!”, and I distinctly do not remember any such sentiment.

    Yeah, I wish people who want to run the country weren’t so deluded, but there are gradations on the scale of religious lunacy, and for the most part democrats, for all of their newfound pious posturing, still seem to be far closer to the sane end of that spectrum, leaving their republican opponents to foam at the mouth whenever boys kiss or scientists use the word “evolution”. I suppose that’s better than nothing.

  6. LadyRavana Says:

    Brian, you should do a blog on McCain’s selection for vice president. Sarah Palin, a red-meat lovin’, lynch the lefties, save the babies, pro-gun fundie lunatic.

    …And McCain expects us wimminfolk to vote for her because hey! She’s a woman! Never mind that I find it an insulting mockery that he’d pull this stunt, assuming that all of us women are suffering butt-hurt because Hillary wasn’t the candidate.

    (I’ve been pro-Obama pretty much from the beginning.)

    I personally think it’s hilarious that McCain is this desperate for female voters, and ironically, electing a woman that pretty much goes against what so many women in this country stand for. I SERIOUSLY hope and PRAY (well, okay maybe not pray) that this comes back and bites him in the ass. Hard.

    …And I hope I’m articulating myself well. I’m tired at the moment. XD!

  7. Brian Says:

    LadyR,

    Interestingly enough, the McCain event at which he managed to both make himself look desperate and insult the intelligence of women everywhere took place no more than a half-mile from where I work, at the aptly named (at least for this occasion) Nutter Center. I swear I am not making that up.

    And as if I didn’t already have enough reasons to not vote for Grandpa Munster, his goddamned trophy-veep roll-out almost made me late to work, something for which I have no tolerance. In my hurried disregard for traffic laws at the intersection of the arena, I couldn’t help but notice quite a few anti-McCain signs being carried to the venue. I couldn’t take the time to count them as the light was really, really orange and I only had 5 minutes to make it on time, but they did seem rather numerous.

    It further turned out that a distressing number of my co-workers went to the event, and spoke in glowing terms of both McCain and his new gun-toting, polar bear-hating, evolution-denying lackey. To be fair, many of them are fascinated by shiny objects and pretty lights, so their opinions really don’t count for much, as far as I am concerned, but they are all legally able to vote, once again reminding me of my favorite maxim: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”.

    To your point about this hurting McCain: Yes, this is the beginning of the end. Here we have a woman who, unprompted, boasts about how she told Congress to shove that “Bridge to Nowhere” up its collective ass. Before the sun had set came word of an interview given in 2006 in which she hoped her republican allies could get infrastructure projects like the bridge funding before their tactical position changed, i.e. they lost their fucking asses in November. I guess she was for it before she was against it. Biden is going to eat her alive.

    Plus, I’m really not sure how McCain expects Palin to appeal to Hillary Clinton voters after she referred to the Senator as “a whiner” back in March of this year. One has learned not to become accustomed to tactical or strategic campaign acumen on the part of John McCain, but this is ridiculous. This is going to be a running joke from now until 4 Nov., and I’m going to enjoy every moment of it.

  8. LadyRavana Says:

    Interestingly enough, the McCain event at which he managed to both make himself look desperate and insult the intelligence of women everywhere took place no more than a half-mile from where I work, at the aptly named (at least for this occasion) Nutter Center. I swear I am not making that up.

    That’s great. The Nutter Center? Ahahahahaha! I didn’t know that!

    It further turned out that a distressing number of my co-workers went to the event, and spoke in glowing terms of both McCain and his new gun-toting, polar bear-hating, evolution-denying lackey. To be fair, many of them are fascinated by shiny objects and pretty lights, so their opinions really don’t count for much, as far as I am concerned, but they are all legally able to vote, once again reminding me of my favorite maxim: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”.

    I can’t decide if that’s funny or depressing. I…think it’s a mixture of both. And I like that maxim. I’ve seen it on a T-shirt…and it’s rather true.

    To your point about this hurting McCain: Yes, this is the beginning of the end. Here we have a woman who, unprompted, boasts about how she told Congress to shove that “Bridge to Nowhere” up its collective ass. Before the sun had set came word of an interview given in 2006 in which she hoped her republican allies could get infrastructure projects like the bridge funding before their tactical position changed, i.e. they lost their fucking asses in November. I guess she was for it before she was against it. Biden is going to eat her alive.

    I remember that. Obama made a smart, well thought out choice. McCain…made a choice out of impulse and desperation. This is gonna sink him. When I saw who he’d elected, the first words out of my mouth “Are you fucking kidding me?! That’s gotta be a joke! Does he seriously think he’s gonna win with HER? She’s batshit!” You would think that he could do better than that, but god forbid he put any THOUGHT about who’s gonna be second in command. I remember wanting to weep for my gender (and my species at large) if ANY woman would fall for this pathetic ploy for women’s votes.

    Amusingly enough, my own mother, who is a dyed-in-the-wool leftie, said she thinks she’s kind of cool.

    Plus, I’m really not sure how McCain expects Palin to appeal to Hillary Clinton voters after she referred to the Senator as “a whiner” back in March of this year. One has learned not to become accustomed to tactical or strategic campaign acumen on the part of John McCain, but this is ridiculous. This is going to be a running joke from now until 4 Nov., and I’m going to enjoy every moment of it.

    Oh, I know. (I also remember the “whiner” bit.) It’s gonna be like a trainwreck. Only at this, I will point. I will laugh. And I will mock.

  9. Troy Says:

    I like Biden and I’ll tell you why. He’s been a big advocate of the partition of Iraq. I suspect at some point after the U.S. leaves Iraq will revert into civil war or another iron fisted ruler; either way it won’t be good. A split Iraq would be a much more stable thing. I for one have a bit of tolerance for the religious so long as don’t mention it constantly like some kind of drooling zombie. Yes, Biden is a Catholic and all, but you have to give him some credit for not implimenting the policies of the Catholic church. Anyway regarding McCain’s pick, very interesting for one thing she’s pretty easy on the eyes, at first I couldn’t believe that was her. I’ll tell you one thing if I had a kid in utero and they told me it was going to be a downy I’d advocate highly for an abortion. I wouldn’t want to be born that way. Yet her religion got in the way of making a rational choice. She seems more of a green horn than Obama. I suspect she’ll be a liability to McCain’s ticket.

  10. LadyRavana Says:

    Of course she’s a green horn. She was mayor of a town of 7000 people, and has been in politics for like…two years, and choosing her just seemed so random and out of the blue, and she’s a poor choice, IMO. McCain just made a HUGE tactical error.

  11. Lindsay Says:

    Honestly, I think for McCain this will either be an Epic Win or an Epic Fail…no middle ground at all.

    An Epic Win would entail her being able to make some decent speeches and hold her own against Biden…and making a decent case as to her own level of experience. She apparently has a record of standing up to the Republican establishment in Alaska…but it remains to be seen if she does this on a national level. I doubt the party establishment is going to let her get too “uppity.”

    There are still some angry Hilary fans left and it’s a pretty blatant attempt to get them in the McCain camp. Palin’s praise of Hilary in her acceptance speech made this even more transparent. IMHO, I really don’t think they are all THAT stupid as to fall for the bait.

    This is just my personal observation, but doesn’t anyone see her being a liability to the fundie vote? Here is a woman that just had a baby…a special needs baby at that…less than a year ago. But instead of staying home and taking care of the kid she is preparing for one of the most important jobs in the free world…and at some point it is very likely she could become president herself.

    I’m all for women going out and pursuing their dreams, but even part of me says “who is going to take care of the kid?”

  12. Brian Says:

    It is possible that McCain’s VP choice is nothing more than a cynical set-up. For months his biggest gripe against Obama was his supposed lack of experience. Now that argument is irrelevant. Why would McCain choose someone who makes that kind of attack no longer effective?

    Sure, he may be old and senile, and that in itself could be an adequate explanation. But what if he intentionally selected her and her woefully thin resume in anticipation of the attacks from democrats that have already been loud and strident? Could he not now claim that Obama and his supporters are mysoginistic chauvinists who hate the idea of a woman in a position of power? Pointing to Hillary Clinton’s defeat as an example, and her PUMA supporters, can’t McCain insulate Palin from serious criticism about her record by claiming democrats hate her lack of a penis? As much as I want to see Joe Biden make her look like the lightweight she is, he has to be very careful in how he handles that debate.

    You just watch. Within the week someone from the McCain campaign, or perhaps McCain himself, will complain that his female VP selection is being criticized by the media and the left simply because she is a woman. They’ll say Obama and the democrats aren’t as friendly to women as they would like us to believe, and that republicans are the real party for women. Of course its all bullshit, but remember how stupid we Americans can be. Enough people will buy it, and what ought to be an obvious McCain weakness might very well turn out to be a surprising, if unjustified, strength. Count on it.

  13. Sarah Says:

    I’ve been a bit out of the loop for a while, but I flipped on Hardball last night and got fairly up to speed.

    Wow…McCain really didn’t think this through did he? I mean, yeah, she’s a good choice in the sense that she has a (for the most part) clean-slate, she’s female, and she’s young…but by picking her, he has killed one of his prime arguments against Obama! Then of course she has less experience than Obama and she won’t appeal all that well to Hillary voters.

    There will be very few Hillary voters who would vote McCain just because he picked a female VP. They don’t stand for any of the policies that the Clinton campaign held during her running for the nomination. Maybe the really stupid ones will, but most will probably vote Obama simply because they both want the same standards set into play.

    If this is the kind of cheese that McCain is putting out, I doubt he will hook many fish:

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=e831507a-0b12-4356-a306-554708d14038

    It’s so stupid…and it reminds me of a tampon commercial for some reason.

    Last thing: Obama was leading about 8 points before he gave his acceptance speech…does anyone know if they’ve changed or do we have to wait until next week?

  14. Bunkie Says:

    Sarah, try this for polling data:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

    It appears that Obama is still leading.

  15. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Palin is a fail. My favorite quote from her: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”

    Wow. Just, wow.

    Most people don’t know a lot about her yet, but she’s as corrupt as the rest of Alaska’s Republicans. I really feel bad for Alaska Dems. They are living among morons voting for her, Ted Stevens, et al.

  16. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I followed that link to McCain’s website. I never noticed this before. Did he change his slogan?

    I am not joking when I tell you it says, “Reform – Prosperity – Peace.” lolwut?

    WAR=PEACE, amirite?

  17. Sue Blue Says:

    Palin doesn’t have a clean slate, no matter how naive, innocent and backwoodsy she may look. She’s the worst sort of fundy – up to her tits in the Dominionist movement – and I mean wallowing in the mud with the most hard-core, foaming at the mouth, take-back-America-for-God wackaloon freakazoids. It’s scary shit; don’t be fooled. McSame didn’t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals. He may have over-reached though; it’s possible she’s too wacky even for the snake-handlers.Check it out over at Daily Kos

  18. LadyRavana Says:

    You just watch. Within the week someone from the McCain campaign, or perhaps McCain himself, will complain that his female VP selection is being criticized by the media and the left simply because she is a woman. They’ll say Obama and the democrats aren’t as friendly to women as they would like us to believe, and that republicans are the real party for women. Of course its all bullshit, but remember how stupid we Americans can be. Enough people will buy it, and what ought to be an obvious McCain weakness might very well turn out to be a surprising, if unjustified, strength. Count on it.

    As laughable and bizarre I think his choice is…this is really an excellent point. As much as I HATE to admit it…I’ve actually gotta give McCain credit for taking such a huge gamble. The question is, will he get a lucky seven or a snake eyes? Time will tell. You said yourself Brian, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

    Many times I’ve thought “Oh, come on. Nobody’s THAT stupid” And I’ve been proven wrong many a time.

    Horribly, painfully WRONG, because I’ve seen many, many examples of human stupidity, and the sheer depths of our idiocy as a species still never ceases to amaze me.

  19. LadyRavana Says:

    Sue Blue-I clicked the link…and skimmed the article. I couldn’t read it; it made me physically ill.

    And well…much of it didn’t surprise me. I could tell Sarah Palin was foaming-at-the-mouth batshit looney from the get-go. It isn’t any great revelation (to me, at least) that she’s a puppet for the Dominionists. (Have done some research on them. WAY scary.) Doesn’t make it any less sick-making or disturbing.

  20. Andrew N.P. Says:

    McSame didn’t pick her because she was Miss Alaska; he picked her to pander to the evangelicals.

    QFT. I was trying to figure out this pick from a strategic standpoint, and this is the only theory I find plausible.

    Sure, at first glance it looked like a crass play for disaffected chick voters, but since Palin is about as opposite Hillary as one can be without being made of antimatter, the Clintonista-poaching hypothesis doesn’t really hold up. And while I see validity in Brian’s “don’t hit a lady” idea, I think that benefit is offset by the fact that McCain’s choice takes away the inexperience card re: Obama. But if we consider that conservative street cred has always been one of McCain’s weak points, his modestly hot* veep starts to make sense.

    Of course, for those of us who haven’t sworn a blood oath to the GOP, Mme. Palin is effing disastrous. I mean, personally, I find both major parties… distasteful, to say the least, and normally I’m loath to support what I see as merely the lesser of two evils. In this case, however, the Republican ticket is so blatantly evil that I have no choice but to throw in with Obama. (Hell, even the Obama who only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing nutjobs would probably be better than McBain/Huckabette ’08.)

    * You know, the kind that are only sort of hot, so they don’t mess around with other guys.

  21. Parrotlover77 Says:

    You are also all missing the other reason to pick her: CONSTANT MEDIA COVERAGE FOR MONTHS FOR NO REASON. No matter how few PUMAs migrate to McCain (i’m wagering the same amount who were going anyway, which basically made them DINO concern trolls), the media will constantly ask the “will this hurt Obama?” question over and over and over and over…

    So there are many good reasons to pick her. The sad thing is that she was the best choice and look at us? We’re gabbing away just like the silly pundits on the teevee! McCain won this round!

    But, I still say, in the long run, McCain’s entire campaign will be an epic fail.

  22. Brian Says:

    Well, it has happened.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-levels-charge_n_123257.html

    At least these goons are predictable.

  23. Ron Britton Says:

    I see that those charges are being leveled by Carly Fiorina. Now that she’s done destroying Hewlett Packard, she’s busy destroying McCain’s campaign.

    It’s funny (and surprising) that they’re using the line that “Palin has more executive experience than Obama.” That’s true. She also has more executive experience than McCain.

    Did you see the other article over at Huffington Post:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

    It says:

    Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

    Yeah. That’s who we want with a finger on The Button.

  24. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Well, I have seen quite a bit of sexist media coverage toward Palin which really makes me ill. I mean she’s so incredibly unqualified on her own — what’s the point of getting sexist? However, it’s no different than the sexist garbage Hillary had to put up with and I don’t remember McCain worrying too much about that.

    As for Obama being sexist? Gimme a freakin’ break! All he’s said so far is something to the effect of “she seems like a competent choice” (which is the silly mandatory opponent praising found in politics) and “her family is off limits” (which is consistent with what he’s been saying all along about himself AND his oppoents).

    Thank you for playing Grasping For Straws!