Comments on: Underwear and Fundies http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed Keeping the Radical Right at Bay Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:44:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22846 Sue Blue Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:35:56 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22846 AnotherSteve - wow. That is depressing. Slavery by any other name is still slavery. I can only hope that these women can actually read the Bible and find out how they're being tricked - and reject it. They need to realize that their circumstances and opportunities cannot be improved simply by exchanging myths. What is needed is education; real education that aims to improve literacy, critical thinking skills, and exposure to the real world. AnotherSteve – wow. That is depressing. Slavery by any other name is still slavery. I can only hope that these women can actually read the Bible and find out how they’re being tricked – and reject it. They need to realize that their circumstances and opportunities cannot be improved simply by exchanging myths. What is needed is education; real education that aims to improve literacy, critical thinking skills, and exposure to the real world.

]]> By: AnotherSteve http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22603 AnotherSteve Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:00:13 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22603 I have some bad news regarding women... I had a conversation with a minister who had recently returned from a missions trip to Pakistan. He said that the primary thrust of the missions effort to the Muslims is to convert the women. In Islam pigs are more highly considered than women. Part of the pitch from the missionaries is that the women are told that under xtianity they are treated well. The women in kind see this as a "way out". The good news is that if an xtian is caught soliciting a Muslim it will "end badly" at the very least. I have some bad news regarding women…

I had a conversation with a minister who had recently returned from a missions trip to Pakistan. He said that the primary thrust of the missions effort to the Muslims is to convert the women. In Islam pigs are more highly considered than women.

Part of the pitch from the missionaries is that the women are told that under xtianity they are treated well. The women in kind see this as a “way out”.

The good news is that if an xtian is caught soliciting a Muslim it will “end badly” at the very least.

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22594 Parrotlover77 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:52:55 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22594 And to that, Sue Blue, I say AMEN. Empowerment of women is also responsible for getting population explosion under control. That's why 1st world countries generally have declining populations (when excluding immigration from the equation). Getting population under control will also help environmental causes (most, if not all, of them), overuse of resources, starvation, and so on. So what I'm saying is, empower the women, save the world. And to that, Sue Blue, I say AMEN.

Empowerment of women is also responsible for getting population explosion under control. That’s why 1st world countries generally have declining populations (when excluding immigration from the equation). Getting population under control will also help environmental causes (most, if not all, of them), overuse of resources, starvation, and so on.

So what I’m saying is, empower the women, save the world.

]]> By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22589 Sue Blue Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:49:34 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22589 To me, the whole idea that it's okay to suffer in this life because you'll get your reward in heaven is the ultimate scam. It's how religions maintain their grip on people without ever having to provide any real benefit. I mean, how long would people work at a job that promised to pay them only after they died? And how stupid do people have to be not to get this? To me, the whole idea that it’s okay to suffer in this life because you’ll get your reward in heaven is the ultimate scam. It’s how religions maintain their grip on people without ever having to provide any real benefit. I mean, how long would people work at a job that promised to pay them only after they died? And how stupid do people have to be not to get this?

]]> By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22588 Sue Blue Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:43:56 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22588 I've often thought that the key to breaking the hold of all religions, especially Islam and Christianity, is the empowerment of women. Since women spend more time with the kids, they're the ones who form most of the kids' ideas about the world. If mommy is telling her daughters that they're just as good and smart as her sons, and that both can be scientists, engineers, astronauts or whatever they want, then the stage is set. If kids are engaged in learning about the real world, they won't have the time or inclination to blow it up in favor of the fantasy of heaven. I’ve often thought that the key to breaking the hold of all religions, especially Islam and Christianity, is the empowerment of women. Since women spend more time with the kids, they’re the ones who form most of the kids’ ideas about the world. If mommy is telling her daughters that they’re just as good and smart as her sons, and that both can be scientists, engineers, astronauts or whatever they want, then the stage is set. If kids are engaged in learning about the real world, they won’t have the time or inclination to blow it up in favor of the fantasy of heaven.

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22542 Parrotlover77 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:35:52 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22542 Well, Islam is not exactly known for their excellent treatment of women -- even the more "reformed" variety that is more common in the west. So you certainly bring up a good point of what on Earth are they DOING? But, remember, it is largely the elder females that still perform female circumcision in the places where it is still performed. Human psychology is complex. I have always thought of situations like that being an related to the "cycle of abuse" that is prominent among abusers and the abused, from generation to generation. Well, Islam is not exactly known for their excellent treatment of women — even the more “reformed” variety that is more common in the west. So you certainly bring up a good point of what on Earth are they DOING? But, remember, it is largely the elder females that still perform female circumcision in the places where it is still performed. Human psychology is complex. I have always thought of situations like that being an related to the “cycle of abuse” that is prominent among abusers and the abused, from generation to generation.

]]> By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22497 Sue Blue Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:40:18 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22497 You know, I've always wondered about the whole "be a martyr for Islam and you'll get 72 virgins in Paradise" meme. While this may get a bunch of repressed, brainwashed young men all worked up, how does it work for women? What incentive do women have to believe any of this crap, let alone martyr themselves, as more and more are doing? Do they get to be one of the 72 virgins? How awful. You know, I’ve always wondered about the whole “be a martyr for Islam and you’ll get 72 virgins in Paradise” meme. While this may get a bunch of repressed, brainwashed young men all worked up, how does it work for women? What incentive do women have to believe any of this crap, let alone martyr themselves, as more and more are doing? Do they get to be one of the 72 virgins? How awful.

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22494 Parrotlover77 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:28 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22494 SB, obviously you saw through the smoke screen, but many, many really buy into the "bad stuff is just a test" rhetoric. The Books of Job is very powerful to them. Remember to many that the afterlife is their reward. Of course, that doesn't stop them from being subconsciously bitter deep down... ;-) SB, obviously you saw through the smoke screen, but many, many really buy into the “bad stuff is just a test” rhetoric. The Books of Job is very powerful to them. Remember to many that the afterlife is their reward. Of course, that doesn’t stop them from being subconsciously bitter deep down… ;-)

]]> By: AnotherSteve http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22492 AnotherSteve Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:26:07 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22492 Sue Blue: From what I've heard, the Muslims look at us the same way. They've had it rammed down their throats since they were little (gullible) kids that Islam is THE religion favored by God. Since they are literally walking around in crap without much to eat, and we keep kicking their butts...The Imams can't just tell the faithful that the whole thing is just a made up lie...Hamina Hamina Hamina...It's those evil Satan worshiping westerners that are keeping us down. Sue Blue:

From what I’ve heard, the Muslims look at us the same way. They’ve had it rammed down their throats since they were little (gullible) kids that Islam is THE religion favored by God. Since they are literally walking around in crap without much to eat, and we keep kicking their butts…The Imams can’t just tell the faithful that the whole thing is just a made up lie…Hamina Hamina Hamina…It’s those evil Satan worshiping westerners that are keeping us down.

]]> By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22467 Sue Blue Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:47:04 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22467 I meant to add to my post that I think a lot of fundie "outrage" is based on the very fact that they are not getting the divine favor that they think they deserve - they don't have it any better than the "sinners", and that pisses them off. That's why they don't want to see gay marriage, abortion, premarital sex or any other personal freedoms allowed - it merely highlights the fact that God is not up there, striking down the sinners and shedding grace on the believers. I meant to add to my post that I think a lot of fundie “outrage” is based on the very fact that they are not getting the divine favor that they think they deserve – they don’t have it any better than the “sinners”, and that pisses them off. That’s why they don’t want to see gay marriage, abortion, premarital sex or any other personal freedoms allowed – it merely highlights the fact that God is not up there, striking down the sinners and shedding grace on the believers.

]]> By: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22466 Sue Blue Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:42:03 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22466 Martin's summed up in a nutshell one of the most nagging problems religion has to deal with - why do bad things happen to "good" people? As I recall there was a rabbi who wrote an entire book on this subject. When I was enmeshed in my fundie family's church, I remember being bothered by this question. I mean, here we were, faithfully attending church, praying sincerely every day, avoiding all the major sins, and yet members were constantly getting cancer, going bankrupt, having spouses and parents and children die in all sorts of horrific ways. Meanwhile the evil sinners were getting rich, partying, having a good time, getting what seemed very few punishments for ignoring God's commandments (and if we did hear of some evildoer's tragedy, it was simply Satan catching up to them). The only answer the pastor could ever muster up was that God had to let us suffer so that we could fully understand how awful sin is! Finally, the light began to dawn in my brain - there really was no God up there, meting out justice and protecting the righteous. I suddenly realized that judging others by rules from some supposedly "outside" source is just a convenient excuse for cruelty, prejudice and discrimination. It relieves us from having to truly treat others the way we would want to be treated, which is the true basis of morality. Martin’s summed up in a nutshell one of the most nagging problems religion has to deal with – why do bad things happen to “good” people? As I recall there was a rabbi who wrote an entire book on this subject. When I was enmeshed in my fundie family’s church, I remember being bothered by this question. I mean, here we were, faithfully attending church, praying sincerely every day, avoiding all the major sins, and yet members were constantly getting cancer, going bankrupt, having spouses and parents and children die in all sorts of horrific ways. Meanwhile the evil sinners were getting rich, partying, having a good time, getting what seemed very few punishments for ignoring God’s commandments (and if we did hear of some evildoer’s tragedy, it was simply Satan catching up to them). The only answer the pastor could ever muster up was that God had to let us suffer so that we could fully understand how awful sin is! Finally, the light began to dawn in my brain – there really was no God up there, meting out justice and protecting the righteous. I suddenly realized that judging others by rules from some supposedly “outside” source is just a convenient excuse for cruelty, prejudice and discrimination. It relieves us from having to truly treat others the way we would want to be treated, which is the true basis of morality.

]]> By: ericsan http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies/comment-page-1#comment-22465 ericsan Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:40:43 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/463/underwear-and-fundies#comment-22465 Me, I want to know what happens in case of a Mormon Sacred Underwear™ malfunction. Me, I want to know what happens in case of a Mormon Sacred Underwear™ malfunction.

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