Comments on: Fundies Are Pro-Choice After All!

By: Sue Blue

Sue Blue — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:54:22 +0000

I have relatives that live in northeastern Nevada and they tell me the Mormons control every business from sheep-ranching to car dealerships in the area. Apparently they are a very closed community. If you aren’t a Mormon, it’s almost impossible to get a business started, and if you do manage it, they undercut you in various ways. There’s a lot of really empty countryside out there, and, according to the stories I’ve heard, some really weird shit happening there. Anyone heard of the Avenging Angels? Fun bunch.

By: Barbara

Barbara — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:32:57 +0000

I kind of don’t mind the “regular” LDS, mainly because I have so many friends in the adoption world that are LDS, and they are definitely a pro-adoption religion. Some of their beliefs are wacky and I might feel differently if I lived in Utah, but the individuals I know are all really nice and none of them has ever tried to “sell” their religion to me.

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:18:44 +0000

Good point…thanks for the article as well Barb, it was very informative. We hear so much about the young women getting raped and impregnated that the boys get overlooked.

Also, after doing a bit of research apparently a lot of these extra large FLDS families are supported on welfare. Since the mothers are not legally married to their husbands they can make benefits claims.

So yes my mind has been changed…they are sponging off the rest of us to support some really inhumane practices. It’s amazing how this country takes stands against crimes against humanity in places like China and Zimbabwe but something…perhaps not as openly insidious…is happening right here in our own country.

By: Parrotlover77

Parrotlover77 — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:30:06 +0000

Good point, Barbara. Additionally, I personally think the LDS are the worst door-to-door salesmen offenders of any religion. Is that tenant of LDS not practiced with the fundie flavors?

By: Barbara

Barbara — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:00:32 +0000

Here’s a good article on the “lost boys”.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/07/06/lost_boys/

By: Barbara

Barbara — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:50:59 +0000

They DO affect people outside the compound in a very serious way. You have to remember that there is nothing the FLDS church can do to manipulate the ratio of male to female children. This means that the compound will have far too many men on its hands if all of them remain with the group. Almost 50% of the teenage boys will be turned out into “normal” society with serious problems including a lack of education. The state will then bear the responsibility of education and training these boys, most of whom will offen suffer mental problems as a result of their upbringing. The group and its members are notorious tax evaders so the rest of us will bear the brunt of paying for services for these boys as well as the increasing number of girls and women who escape as well.

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:08:46 +0000

The only thing that bothers me about the fundie Mormons is how they marry off the girls at age 12/13 and start reproducin’ soon thereafter. If they were all consenting adults and wanted to have celestial marriages with the same guy…well fine that is their own choice no matter how nutty I think it is.

Otherwise, they don’t seem to bother anyone outside of the YFZ compound…you don’t see them trying to get fundie mormons elected or try to change the laws. In that way they are like the Amish…they live their own lives and do their own thing and don’t try to bother the rest of us.

However, I still get grossed out thinking how these fundie mormon men enjoy having sex with girls that have barely hit puberty. Ewww…

By: Parrotlover77

Parrotlover77 — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:10:37 +0000

Most of the “pop” polygamous wives (ie, in the news or otherwise on the teevee) seem to not mind sharing the hubby. Either they love him so much they will do whatever it takes to make him happy -OR- they really don’t want to sleep with him every day and are glad to share the burden, in addition to thinking they are doing God’s work and being fruitful and whatever other dumbass things they’ve been brainwashed about. Maybe I stated a false dichotomy there, but I’m still betting deep down it’s option B.

By: S.

S. — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:59:46 +0000

right,I just wonder how ppl like Michelle Duggar would like it..probably not one bit!
I don’t know about the marriages,let us know when you find out?

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:36:15 +0000

Don’t forget the fundie Mormon women. Warren Jeffs had well over 20 wives.

I’ll have to look into it but do the fundie mormons take the polygamous marriages straight from the bible or is it something Joseph Smith made up? Darn it, the Mormons haven’t come by lately to give me a Book of Mormon so I can look it up…

By: S.

S. — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:54:58 +0000

yea that Paul was a real character! ..and how the men could have more than one wife in the bible..what a put-down on women.man can do as he wants,but woman…well,she ‘ll just have to put up w/ sharing him! I’m surprised it isn’t still allowed.I wonder how the fundie women would feel about it?!
I had brought up that point of spontaneous abortion on an abortion board one time..and was told that it ‘didn’t count’.not sure why… not all of those can be attributed to fetal defects.

By: Sue Blue

Sue Blue — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:46:39 +0000

Parrot - I may have to eat a few of my words, if there are actually doctors not prescribing Viagra or counseling men against masturbation. I haven’t heard of any, but then, the headlines about pharmaceutical discrimination against women have been grabbing a lot of attention lately. I admit I have a bias, being female. Ever since childhood, my biggest beef against religion was the bald-faced sexism of the Bible, and all the shitty treatment of women that has resulted from it. You know, Original Sin and all that. Eve as the mother of all sin. The lovely stories of Lot’s daughter and the guy in Judges who lets his daughter and concubine be raped to spare his male guest. The misogynistic rantings of Paul. Pissed me off right from the start! And let’s face it - when a man “sins” it’s a lot less visible. Who’s going to police masturbation? Are the moral cops going to come by and light up your sheets with Luminol to see if you’ve been a bad boy? Pregnancy is a much more obvious indicator of naughtiness - but who can tell if a woman is a slut if she’s able to avoid pregancy through the evil of birth control? Hence the focus of the present campaign. But yes, fundies DO want to control everybody one way or another.

S. - you’re right on the money. As a nurse, I can say that current medical estimates are that about one-third of all conceptions end in miscarriage. If only these fundies realized that their god is the greatest abortionist of all.