Comments on: U.S. Law is not Based on the Ten Commandments. Get Over It. http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it Keeping the Radical Right at Bay Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:11:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: cognitive dissident http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19336 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:45:08 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19336 Great article...thanks for posting about it! I saw Carlin do his "Ten Commandments" bit in concert several years ago, and I can't help hearing his voice when reading this article. Great article…thanks for posting about it!

I saw Carlin do his “Ten Commandments” bit in concert several years ago, and I can’t help hearing his voice when reading this article.

]]> by: sus http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19294 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:21:58 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19294 Sorry for the double post. I didn't realize we couldn't edit. Here's another great article on the 10 commandments. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41687 Sorry for the double post. I didn’t realize we couldn’t edit.

Here’s another great article on the 10 commandments.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41687

]]> by: sus http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19293 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:18:51 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19293 Colorado still has the blue laws, too. No alcohol on Sunday and only 3.2 beer in grocery stores (the one Super Target in Denver permitted to sell alcohol because of some bizarre loophole about a pre-existing liquor store in the spot has to actually rope off their liquor section on Sundays). It makes it a PITA when cooking with wine on Sunday only to find out you drank it all the night before. So far all attempts to repeal them there haven't worked. Apparently the liquor lobby wants them. And people paint it as helping small businesses. I'm no economist so I have no idea if that's a valid argument. But when the fundies and the liquor lobby align, I'm askeered. Colorado still has the blue laws, too. No alcohol on Sunday and only 3.2 beer in grocery stores (the one Super Target in Denver permitted to sell alcohol because of some bizarre loophole about a pre-existing liquor store in the spot has to actually rope off their liquor section on Sundays). It makes it a PITA when cooking with wine on Sunday only to find out you drank it all the night before. So far all attempts to repeal them there haven’t worked. Apparently the liquor lobby wants them. And people paint it as helping small businesses. I’m no economist so I have no idea if that’s a valid argument. But when the fundies and the liquor lobby align, I’m askeered.

]]> by: Sue Blue http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19278 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:06:06 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19278 Sam Harris makes some excellent points about the ten commandments in "The End of Faith". Refuting fundies who claim that American law is based on them and that there can be no morality without the sky-fairy's stone tablets, he points out that in the first commandments God seems to be way more concerned about people showing him the proper respect rather than giving humans guidelines for better lives. Apparently god's number one concern was not whether humans were murdering each other or banging their neighbor's spouse - it was that they acknowledge that Yahweh's better than Baal or Moloch or Zeus or....oh, and by the way, don't kill or steal....Yahweh - he the Man! Sam Harris makes some excellent points about the ten commandments in “The End of Faith”. Refuting fundies who claim that American law is based on them and that there can be no morality without the sky-fairy’s stone tablets, he points out that in the first commandments God seems to be way more concerned about people showing him the proper respect rather than giving humans guidelines for better lives. Apparently god’s number one concern was not whether humans were murdering each other or banging their neighbor’s spouse - it was that they acknowledge that Yahweh’s better than Baal or Moloch or Zeus or….oh, and by the way, don’t kill or steal….Yahweh - he the Man!

]]> by: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19272 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:15:16 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19272 The problem with blue laws is it's hard to get them reversed. I'm not entirely sure why. I mean, yes, there is the religious component (nobody needs to drink when they should be at church, afterall), but there's more to it than that. One possible reason may be the negative connotation it has. Probably the same reason why it's SO hard to decriminalize (let alone legalize) marijuana. It's medically no worse than alcohol (as long as it is not smoked), but the negative public view kills attempts to make more permissive laws for the use of it. The problem with blue laws is it’s hard to get them reversed. I’m not entirely sure why. I mean, yes, there is the religious component (nobody needs to drink when they should be at church, afterall), but there’s more to it than that. One possible reason may be the negative connotation it has.

Probably the same reason why it’s SO hard to decriminalize (let alone legalize) marijuana. It’s medically no worse than alcohol (as long as it is not smoked), but the negative public view kills attempts to make more permissive laws for the use of it.

]]> by: LadyRavana http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19271 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:11:29 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19271 I found another great article: A Call to Heresy. http://www.skepticreport.com/religion/acalltoheresy.htm I think that it's even better than the Ten Commandments article-LOL! I found another great article: A Call to Heresy.

http://www.skepticreport.com/religion/acalltoheresy.htm

I think that it’s even better than the Ten Commandments article-LOL!

]]> by: Jeremy White http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19269 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:07:34 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19269 I live in Indiana and blue laws are still in effect. I don't see how it's legal to have a law strictly forbidding sales of alcohol on Sunday and CHRISTmas. It was ridiculous having to drive an hour to Illinois for beer runs in college (the beer bought on Saturday would unfailing be consumed immediately!) And Tennessee's laws are even worse! I live in Indiana and blue laws are still in effect.

I don’t see how it’s legal to have a law strictly forbidding sales of alcohol on Sunday and CHRISTmas. It was ridiculous having to drive an hour to Illinois for beer runs in college (the beer bought on Saturday would unfailing be consumed immediately!)

And Tennessee’s laws are even worse!

]]> by: LadyRavana http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19268 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:46:19 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19268 <blockquote>To sneak around the First Amendment many have adopted the tactic of calling it an "historical document" and "the basis for our system of law", often trying to post it as part of a larger display with historical documents. To me, this is like trying to make a marijuana plant legally acceptable by planting daisies and gardenias around it and calling it a botanical display.</blockquote> LOL! I love that description. Great article. Yeah...I'm gonna bookmark this article. If I ever come across a Fundie that says "The only law is God's law!" All I have to do is whip this out and shove it under their nose. :p

To sneak around the First Amendment many have adopted the tactic of calling it an “historical document” and “the basis for our system of law”, often trying to post it as part of a larger display with historical documents. To me, this is like trying to make a marijuana plant legally acceptable by planting daisies and gardenias around it and calling it a botanical display.

LOL! I love that description. Great article.

Yeah…I’m gonna bookmark this article. If I ever come across a Fundie that says “The only law is God’s law!” All I have to do is whip this out and shove it under their nose. :p

]]> by: Ron Britton http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19257 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:48:05 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19257 Arkonbey: That's a good point. I had forgotten about the blue laws. I suspect a lot of fundies would like to reinstate them. Part of the "traditional values" they're always going on about. Arkonbey:

That’s a good point. I had forgotten about the blue laws. I suspect a lot of fundies would like to reinstate them. Part of the “traditional values” they’re always going on about.

]]> by: arkonbey http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19254 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:17:38 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19254 NOT defending the 'our laws are based on the ten commandments' at all, but #4 could be considered to have been part of some local and state laws: Blue Laws that prohibit sales of alcohol and whether certain establishments can be open on a Sunday. NOT defending the ‘our laws are based on the ten commandments’ at all, but #4 could be considered to have been part of some local and state laws: Blue Laws that prohibit sales of alcohol and whether certain establishments can be open on a Sunday.

]]> by: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19250 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:51:40 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19250 And of course, in honor of the late, great, George Carlin, you do realize there really only needs to be ONE commandment. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU And of course, in honor of the late, great, George Carlin, you do realize there really only needs to be ONE commandment. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU

]]> by: ericsan http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19234 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:47:05 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/441/us-law-is-not-based-on-the-ten-commandments-get-over-it#comment-19234 I was checking it out earlier and found a really well written article about the question "do you believe in evolution". http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/believeevolution.htm I was checking it out earlier and found a really well written article about the question “do you believe in evolution”.
http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/believeevolution.htm

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