Comments on: Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom Keeping the Radical Right at Bay Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:23:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: LadyRavana http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-17687 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:29:39 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-17687 *applauds* BRAVA! BRAVA! Jefferson was made of AWESOME and WIN! *sigh* If only this would be implemented in our main constitution...would be nice. And while we're at it, please, let us legalize gay marriage (as in, let it be protected WITHIN the constitution) so that we can FINALLY tell fundies to STFU, plzkthx. :p *applauds*

BRAVA! BRAVA!

Jefferson was made of AWESOME and WIN!

*sigh* If only this would be implemented in our main constitution…would be nice.
And while we’re at it, please, let us legalize gay marriage (as in, let it be protected WITHIN the constitution) so that we can FINALLY tell fundies to STFU, plzkthx. :p

]]> by: Sharley http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-17168 Wed, 21 May 2008 04:36:28 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-17168 Parrotlover -- I think he used 'she' at the end because Truth, like Justice, was often personified as female. This really is awesome. It's something every Fundie should be made to read. (Also, as a random aside, I think my favorite of all the 'fish' decals I've seen is one that said N' CHIPS in the middle.) Parrotlover — I think he used ’she’ at the end because Truth, like Justice, was often personified as female.

This really is awesome. It’s something every Fundie should be made to read. (Also, as a random aside, I think my favorite of all the ‘fish’ decals I’ve seen is one that said N’ CHIPS in the middle.)

]]> by: Paradox http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15830 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:59:42 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15830 Great post! It makes me proud to be a direct descendant of Jefferson. His ideas about religious freedom are right on, and I really don't see why some people reject them. They seem to be perfectly reasonable to me. You do your thing, I'll do mine. Great post! It makes me proud to be a direct descendant of Jefferson. His ideas about religious freedom are right on, and I really don’t see why some people reject them. They seem to be perfectly reasonable to me. You do your thing, I’ll do mine.

]]> by: Chuck http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15535 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:35:54 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15535 Yeah...kind of regretting that he took a more Christian tone in the Declaration...cuz this is just fuckin' brilliant. I wish people would pay more attention to the bullet point about not denying someone office based on their religion...*cough* fundies! *cough* It's sad to see that the people who govern us have only gotten exponentially stupider over the past 200 years. We went from a truly free thinker, one who could maintain intelligence while managing the rabidly religious, to a dumbass who thinks rescinding habeas corpus is important for protecting our citizens against brown people. Yeah…kind of regretting that he took a more Christian tone in the Declaration…cuz this is just fuckin’ brilliant.

I wish people would pay more attention to the bullet point about not denying someone office based on their religion…*cough* fundies! *cough*

It’s sad to see that the people who govern us have only gotten exponentially stupider over the past 200 years. We went from a truly free thinker, one who could maintain intelligence while managing the rabidly religious, to a dumbass who thinks rescinding habeas corpus is important for protecting our citizens against brown people.

]]> by: Troy http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15513 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:51:29 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15513 This is a great posting. We owe Jefferson much. What's more he was way ahead of his time. For those who believe rights come from Almighty God they should consider that the first words of the constitution are "We the People" I also like the notion of a "More perfect union", religious utopias tend to consider themselves perfect from the get go and that is where they get into trouble. This is a great posting. We owe Jefferson much. What’s more he was way ahead of his time. For those who believe rights come from Almighty God they should consider that the first words of the constitution are “We the People” I also like the notion of a “More perfect union”, religious utopias tend to consider themselves perfect from the get go and that is where they get into trouble.

]]> by: Shannon M. Singleton http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15503 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:53:53 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15503 Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Jefferson would scoff at the state of our current union... Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Jefferson would scoff at the state of our current union…

]]> by: Parrotlover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15490 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:56:56 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/393/jefferson-and-the-virginia-statute-for-religious-freedom#comment-15490 I find it interesting that Jefferson used the pronoun "he" everywhere until the very end, when referring to "truth" which he then assigns the pronoun "she" to. What is the significance of that? Also intersting is how he simultaneously intertwines the glory/power of "God" with verbiage that also diminishes that god's role in government. He was able to straddle the fence perfectly here, appeasing the zealots and the humanists. The wording is perfect. He is telling the religious here that not only do you not want to promote your god in government, but that your religion is actually better off when you don't! And to top it off, there's that beautiful part in section 3 warning future generations if they decide to try to move towards theocracy again. I can't think of a modern legislator that is that amazingly clever with regard to civil rights. I find it interesting that Jefferson used the pronoun “he” everywhere until the very end, when referring to “truth” which he then assigns the pronoun “she” to. What is the significance of that?

Also intersting is how he simultaneously intertwines the glory/power of “God” with verbiage that also diminishes that god’s role in government. He was able to straddle the fence perfectly here, appeasing the zealots and the humanists.

The wording is perfect. He is telling the religious here that not only do you not want to promote your god in government, but that your religion is actually better off when you don’t! And to top it off, there’s that beautiful part in section 3 warning future generations if they decide to try to move towards theocracy again.

I can’t think of a modern legislator that is that amazingly clever with regard to civil rights.

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