This is why most abortionist doctors live in mansions and report million dollar incomes. Most Pro-choice lobbyist are well paid as well and highly connected. I’ve never heard of a starving abortion supporter. Have you? Most abortionists doctors and their supporters donate money to Planned Parenthood because it they helps them sell the message to the gullible public. No one is going to get an abortion because of the screaming NOW activist or because they trust the doctor. They are more likely to take the advance of the nice little lady at Planned Parenthood who seems to be compassionate. Think about it. Nearly all government programs run at a lost and are deeply in debt. But Planned Parenthood runs in the black of an $85 million dollar excess. How else can you emphasize that the ceasing or prevention of pregnancy isn’t profitable?

But you say Abortion supporters care about “Women’s rights?” That’s a laugh. There are still no female presidents, most companies are run by men, engineering and science fields are still man dominated, women still make dramatically less than men, and men still make money off of women’s insecurities.

NOW, the largest feminist union, has major contacts with every single major Fortune 500 company. They receive donations and dinner party engagements with the big business executives all day along. Their children even go to the same schools. NOW could use their clout to pressure them to improve the quality of life of their female employees. But they do not. They’ve rather worry about lack of accessibility over abortions than to actually improve and promote women who are in real danger. I remember one day in Atlanta, feminist activists where complaining over the “Men at Work” sign and congratulating themselves over getting the sign chanced. When a muslim girl was killed, that same week, by her father because she wanted to get a divorce from her husband. No femisists spoke on that issue. Just like they didn’t speak out on Lacey Paterson.

Look at Cosmo magazine, its nothing but a manifestation of modern female insecurities. Lose Weight Fast! Get Sexier! Make Him Want You! Look Younger! Clothes that make you look thin! Get the Perfect Tan! Get Fuller Longer Hair! It’s funny how all the solutions proposed by the magazine cost money. I would love to see a magazine marketed towards young women that said. How to love yourself! Dump Him: He’s not worth it! Don’t get Skinny, Get Fit! Mind over Matter: Become Empowered in 10 easy steps!

One question, I could never understand from Pro-choicers is how exactly does abortions free women? If they practiced celibacy, they wouldn’t get pregnant. I know what you are thinking, what if they were raped or its a medical necessity? But those cases are low compared to the cases of “inconvenience.” But if women practiced celibacy or at the very least refused to sleep with men who wouldn’t accept the possibility of supporting an unintended pregnancy, women wouldn’t have to worry about abortions. Or their sex lives, then they could practice true sexual freedom. Women enjoy sex better when they are with someone they trust.

Pro-choicers are just as bad as Pro-lifers. Both ends are extremely ignorant of the real people caught in the middle. The chief majority of these women who chose abortion do so because their boyfriends, their parents, and society pressures them to do so. If a woman lived in a loving and supporting environment, abortion wouldn’t even cross her mind. I know that Abortionists claim that pro-lifers don’t care about the children after they are born. But Abortionists don’t care about the women after they abort. Where are Pro-choice funded post trauma Abortion centers for post-aborted women? It’s like these women are just pawns in the pro-choice game.

But what kills me is the most is, how can the world be so strong for Pre-martial sex but against the natural outcome of sexual freedom (or lack of). It’s just like allowing people to take drugs but get upset if they get addicted. I believe if its acceptable to have multiple sex partners, it shouldn’t be taboo to be a single mother or have STDs. Nor should it be necessary to get an abortion, in order to go to school and get a degree. A pregnant woman or a mother isn’t less likely to learn than a childless women. In fact, if given the opportunity she’s likely to learn more because she needs a job to support her children. So why not have daycares at colleges? They already have everything else.

“Illegals” are a problem. Not a religious one, but an economic one. There are many jobs that don’t pay shit anymore because companies can hire desperate immigrants at a fraction of the cost. They also wind up with government handouts that should be reserved for the legal citizens who have worked and paid into the system. As a consequence, many Americans are being screwed by employers as far as their paychecks go. Why pay a legal citizen fair, living wage when you can hire some immigrants “off the books” for below minimum wage? As if outsourcing of our jobs isn’t bad enough!

I just wanted to respond to the comment about the “government handouts”. First, illegals, by and large, pay taxes. Most are on the books same as everybody else. The “under the table” stuff is very, very small. Keep in mind that the IRS does NOT care if your company hires illegals, as long as they pay taxes (and most do). Second, there is no evidence that illegals use a disproportionate amount of the public infrastructure (aka “handouts”) based on the taxes they provide.

The problem is the first part of your post: driving down wages. The “global economy” we were sold in the 90s is a myth. Unfortunately, at this time, there are far too many people in developing parts of the world that will work for a fraction that U.S. citizens are used to. For us, this drives down our wages. The better long-term solution is for those that are immigrating here illegally to stay in the home country and become politically active to force change. But I understand why they don’t, because being politically active can be dangerous and it certainly doesn’t feed your family…

Immigration is a very complex issue, but the Republican talking points of “handouts” is a myth. There is no study (that I have ever seen) that supports that claim.

And then there’s the bumper sticker that says, “women deserve better than abortion”. Yeah, like forced pregnancy! These freaks don’t care about the women. They also don’t care about the fetus/embryo/baby once it’s born. It’s all about chalking up points with “god”.

In reply to what Buffy said:
“Illegals” are a problem. Not a religious one, but an economic one. There are many jobs that don’t pay shit anymore because companies can hire desperate immigrants at a fraction of the cost. They also wind up with government handouts that should be reserved for the legal citizens who have worked and paid into the system. As a consequence, many Americans are being screwed by employers as far as their paychecks go. Why pay a legal citizen fair, living wage when you can hire some immigrants “off the books” for below minimum wage? As if outsourcing of our jobs isn’t bad enough!

I don’t have a personal problem with “illegals”. I have a problem with the system. Either make them legal, keep them out, or make sure they get paid the same as a legal citizen.

Setting women’s rights back is all part and parcel of the “great” religions. Fundies are driven by a fear of two things: sex and death. Treating women as equals threatens their precious male-dominated theology which, conveniently enough, promulgates a worldview in which men are supposed to be heads of their households, subserviant only to “God, the father”. They’ve had a good racket going for centuries now, and they have no wish to see some uppity women upset the apple cart. Abortion and gay rights represent a blatant “fuck you” to the entire Christian establishment, one for which it is richly deserving.

By ceding to modernity, as any rational person ought to, typical fundies undercut their own belief system in an irreparable way, and they know it. Perhaps some of them cling to their absurd creations myths so fiercely because it is essential for them to believe a woman is responsible for our sorry lot in life. Really, what sense does the entire message of Christianity make if there were no Adam and Eve to begin with? If there was no Eve to buggar everything up in the garden, then there is no original sin for which we ought to repent, and no need for a savior to promise eternal life. Oops. There goes their other delusion. They have neither the courage nor the intelligence to face the eternity of oblivion that awaits us all, so to perpetuate their childish notions they insist on throwing society’s gears into reverse so we never exit the tunnel of religious ignorance we might otherwise someday exit. Frakking idiots.

How, exactly, can these hypocrites continue to insist that “abortion makes money,” while simultaneously claiming that the government gives them grants? They aren’t paid per abortion!

It really burns me when they start shrieking about doctors getting rich off of “murdering babies” when many abortion providers live in fear of their lives and are often stalked and harassed by good Christian folk.

I love this site–stumbled across it a week ago. I grew up in an extremely conservative fundie church and couldn’t wait to leave home and get away.