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	<title>Comments on: Moonie Encyclopedia Article on ID Creationism</title>
	<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism</link>
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		<title>by: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14833</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I remember that TNG episode.  I was an uberfan back in the day.  He might as well have been a god, the writers made him a whiney Boy Genius of every discipline... Sorta like the old testament god, you know.  Whiney, I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that TNG episode.  I was an uberfan back in the day.  He might as well have been a god, the writers made him a whiney Boy Genius of every discipline&#8230; Sorta like the old testament god, you know.  Whiney, I mean.
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		<title>by: Ron Britton</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14830</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>CDP:

Dinosaurs are not described in the Bible, at least not unambiguously.  Creationists like you cite the poorly-described "leviathan".  Even if they were mentioned, it would be just another unfactual statement contained in that fairy story, such as the claim that the Earth is flat and that stars are glued to the sky.

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.  Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

What's really funny, is you say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Want to review a real science book?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

then you say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Check it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's funny, I thought you were going to suggest that I review a real science book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CDP:</p>
<p>Dinosaurs are not described in the Bible, at least not unambiguously.  Creationists like you cite the poorly-described &#8220;leviathan&#8221;.  Even if they were mentioned, it would be just another unfactual statement contained in that fairy story, such as the claim that the Earth is flat and that stars are glued to the sky.</p>
<p>Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.  Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really funny, is you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Want to review a real science book?</p></blockquote>
<p>then you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Check it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s funny, I thought you were going to suggest that I review a real science book!
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		<title>by: Ron Britton</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14829</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14829</guid>
					<description>Randy:

As I said on the other post, it isn't neutral.  You're right that we need to understand exactly what the ID creationists are claiming.  However, it is the ID creationists who are distorting the definition.  It is creationism; they're claiming it isn't.  It does require God; they're claiming it doesn't.

As for other articles in that encyclopedia, I can't say.  Every time I try to connect, the request times out.  You must be having better luck.  You should stop reading other things on that site.  You'll exhaust their hamster.

&lt;img src="http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hamster.jpg" width="450" height="265" class="centered" border="0" alt="What powers the New World Encyclopedia" /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy:</p>
<p>As I said on the other post, it isn&#8217;t neutral.  You&#8217;re right that we need to understand exactly what the ID creationists are claiming.  However, it is the ID creationists who are distorting the definition.  It is creationism; they&#8217;re claiming it isn&#8217;t.  It does require God; they&#8217;re claiming it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As for other articles in that encyclopedia, I can&#8217;t say.  Every time I try to connect, the request times out.  You must be having better luck.  You should stop reading other things on that site.  You&#8217;ll exhaust their hamster.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hamster.jpg" width="450" height="265" class="centered" border="0" alt="What powers the New World Encyclopedia" />
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		<title>by: C. David Parsons</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14828</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14828</guid>
					<description>I thought the image of the T-Rex with the Bible was to the point; however, not in the way intended. 
 
Dinosaurs are described in the Bible by witnesses who recorded the encounters. These are not whispy, smoky descriptions, but accurate descriptions from head to tail. You will find the truth about dinosaurs and much more in The Quest for Right, a series of 7 books on origins based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect. For more information, visit the official website: &lt;i&gt;[spam link deleted by admin for violation of comment policy]&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Want to review a real science book? Check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the image of the T-Rex with the Bible was to the point; however, not in the way intended. </p>
<p>Dinosaurs are described in the Bible by witnesses who recorded the encounters. These are not whispy, smoky descriptions, but accurate descriptions from head to tail. You will find the truth about dinosaurs and much more in The Quest for Right, a series of 7 books on origins based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect. For more information, visit the official website: <i>[spam link deleted by admin for violation of comment policy]</i> </p>
<p>Want to review a real science book? Check it out.
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		<title>by: Ron Britton</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14827</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14827</guid>
					<description>Parrotlover:

There was an episode of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29" target="_blank" title="Long, boring Wikipedia article. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow"&gt;Star Trek TNG&lt;/a&gt; where Wesley Crusher was playing around with nano-bots, let them escape, and they evolved into more sophisticated machines.  Wesley Crusher is God!  (Oh, the humanity!)

For the benefit of those who haven't seen it, here's a YouTube video that I posted once before.  It explains the problems with claiming that the designer is an alien:

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&lt;font size="-1"&gt;(&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt6oBxZmOG0" target="_blank" title="Go to this video's YouTube page. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow"&gt;YouTube page is here.&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parrotlover:</p>
<p>There was an episode of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29" target="_blank" title="Long, boring Wikipedia article. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">Star Trek TNG</a> where Wesley Crusher was playing around with nano-bots, let them escape, and they evolved into more sophisticated machines.  Wesley Crusher is God!  (Oh, the humanity!)</p>
<p>For the benefit of those who haven&#8217;t seen it, here&#8217;s a YouTube video that I posted once before.  It explains the problems with claiming that the designer is an alien:</p>
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<font size="-1">(<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt6oBxZmOG0" target="_blank" title="Go to this video's YouTube page. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">YouTube page is here.</a>)</font>
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		<title>by: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14813</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14813</guid>
					<description>I read the entire encyclopedia entry and it seems that it is just an attempt to present ID neutrally. If we want to defeat ID, we have to have a common understanding of what all parties mean by ID, and this article seem much better than the Wikipedia article which distorts the topic and its definition. Honestly, I don't think the ID proponents would agree to the Wikipedia definition as what they mean by ID. I think this article actually states what people in the ID movement believe, so it is a good resource.

Overall, the encyclopedia clearly seems to support evolution, as seen in the extensive article on Evidences of Evolution, as well as the articles on Evolution and Charles Darwin. I think that creationists would find the encyclopedia opposed strongly to their views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the entire encyclopedia entry and it seems that it is just an attempt to present ID neutrally. If we want to defeat ID, we have to have a common understanding of what all parties mean by ID, and this article seem much better than the Wikipedia article which distorts the topic and its definition. Honestly, I don&#8217;t think the ID proponents would agree to the Wikipedia definition as what they mean by ID. I think this article actually states what people in the ID movement believe, so it is a good resource.</p>
<p>Overall, the encyclopedia clearly seems to support evolution, as seen in the extensive article on Evidences of Evolution, as well as the articles on Evolution and Charles Darwin. I think that creationists would find the encyclopedia opposed strongly to their views.
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		<title>by: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14805</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/381/moonie-encyclopedia-article-on-id-creationism#comment-14805</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;i&gt;"ID does not tell anyone the identity or nature of the designer…"&lt;/i&gt;

True. That’s how they hide its religious basis. But as I just said, the designer has to be God.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It could also be a sufficiently advanced alien species.  Yes, I know, that's begging the question (who created THEM).  However, it would be pretty funny to hijack ID messge boards with Star Trekky claims of alien (non-God) creators "seeding" our genetic makeup, just to "force the hand" of the IDers to make them admit they are, indeed, talking about the same old Creationist God and not just any ol' mortal designer, however advanced.  I can't believe they'd stand idly by while a bunch of alien worshipping wackos take over their wacko group.  Good times...</description>
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<i>&#8220;ID does not tell anyone the identity or nature of the designer…&#8221;</i></p>
<p>True. That’s how they hide its religious basis. But as I just said, the designer has to be God.
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<p>It could also be a sufficiently advanced alien species.  Yes, I know, that&#8217;s begging the question (who created THEM).  However, it would be pretty funny to hijack ID messge boards with Star Trekky claims of alien (non-God) creators &#8220;seeding&#8221; our genetic makeup, just to &#8220;force the hand&#8221; of the IDers to make them admit they are, indeed, talking about the same old Creationist God and not just any ol&#8217; mortal designer, however advanced.  I can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;d stand idly by while a bunch of alien worshipping wackos take over their wacko group.  Good times&#8230;
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