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		<title>by: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-29080</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom: They do cover cosmology, but the thing is they lump evolution WITH it. If you read Hovind's conditions for his 250,000 prize (You only get it if you can prove evolution by HIS means) he says that you must prove that "all the stars and planets formed without God."

Does that have ANYTHING to do with biology in the slightest? 

Many others have taken that idea and have come up with the 'Darwinian System' which applies to basically any scientific category that they know nothing about. "But hey, Darwin is already being blamed for the Nazis and WWII, let's just lump it on him!" 

Anyway, the youtube user, AndromedasWake has made some very interesting videos debunking their cosmology claims and their idea that evolution somehow applies to the stars. I suggest checking it out. His series is called "CrAP DEBUNK"  (Creationist Astronomy Propaganda)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: They do cover cosmology, but the thing is they lump evolution WITH it. If you read Hovind&#8217;s conditions for his 250,000 prize (You only get it if you can prove evolution by HIS means) he says that you must prove that &#8220;all the stars and planets formed without God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that have ANYTHING to do with biology in the slightest? </p>
<p>Many others have taken that idea and have come up with the &#8216;Darwinian System&#8217; which applies to basically any scientific category that they know nothing about. &#8220;But hey, Darwin is already being blamed for the Nazis and WWII, let&#8217;s just lump it on him!&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyway, the youtube user, AndromedasWake has made some very interesting videos debunking their cosmology claims and their idea that evolution somehow applies to the stars. I suggest checking it out. His series is called &#8220;CrAP DEBUNK&#8221;  (Creationist Astronomy Propaganda)
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		<title>by: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-29063</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually while I think about it (sorry for spamming): Why is it that evolution gets all the attention? ID proponents are always squaring up to Darwin like he was their child's murderer or something.

You'd think with people for intelligent design arguing over current cosmological thinking as much if not more than evolution should be their actual cause. Neither can specifically pin point what happens at the exact moment of universal origin but we have a model of a lot that comes after and Genesis definately doesn't cover that stuff.

Also for your creationist opponents who claim that they aren't related to a monkey and are indignant and insulted must be reminded that vanity is deadly sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually while I think about it (sorry for spamming): Why is it that evolution gets all the attention? ID proponents are always squaring up to Darwin like he was their child&#8217;s murderer or something.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think with people for intelligent design arguing over current cosmological thinking as much if not more than evolution should be their actual cause. Neither can specifically pin point what happens at the exact moment of universal origin but we have a model of a lot that comes after and Genesis definately doesn&#8217;t cover that stuff.</p>
<p>Also for your creationist opponents who claim that they aren&#8217;t related to a monkey and are indignant and insulted must be reminded that vanity is deadly sin.
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		<title>by: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-29062</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gravity for the most part has been disassembled. It's all relative now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravity for the most part has been disassembled. It&#8217;s all relative now.
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		<title>by: Em (Stumbling through)</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28759</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28759</guid>
					<description>For those arguing that evolution is "just" a theory, remember that gravity is also "just" a theory.  The difference is that you don't see people arguing for the inclusion of Intelligent Falling in science classes because they realise how stupid it would make them look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those arguing that evolution is &#8220;just&#8221; a theory, remember that gravity is also &#8220;just&#8221; a theory.  The difference is that you don&#8217;t see people arguing for the inclusion of Intelligent Falling in science classes because they realise how stupid it would make them look.
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		<title>by: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28604</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28604</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I love watching the rise Atheistism.
The Self rightest mass’s just waiting to point and mock everybody who dose not think like they do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, Tiger Omar Ali-Bashr, that's pretty funny seeing's how every Christian I have ever met has told me I'm going to Hell, that I need to find Jesus, trying to convert me and make me think the way they do. If anything, Christians are the worst. They don't tolerate anyone who thinks differently than they do because they are all arrogant, selfish assholes who think that the way they do things is the only way. Fuck you, you ignorant asshole. Oh, and by the way, it's MASSES no MASS'S  you fucking idiot. I hope you die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I love watching the rise Atheistism.<br />
The Self rightest mass’s just waiting to point and mock everybody who dose not think like they do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, Tiger Omar Ali-Bashr, that&#8217;s pretty funny seeing&#8217;s how every Christian I have ever met has told me I&#8217;m going to Hell, that I need to find Jesus, trying to convert me and make me think the way they do. If anything, Christians are the worst. They don&#8217;t tolerate anyone who thinks differently than they do because they are all arrogant, selfish assholes who think that the way they do things is the only way. Fuck you, you ignorant asshole. Oh, and by the way, it&#8217;s MASSES no MASS&#8217;S  you fucking idiot. I hope you die.
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		<title>by: ralphy</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28601</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-28601</guid>
					<description>As a stoopid person, this interweb site makes me angered. Yes, my friends are all religulous republicaners, but that doesn't mean that I am. You really hert my feelings!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a stoopid person, this interweb site makes me angered. Yes, my friends are all religulous republicaners, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that I am. You really hert my feelings!!!!!
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		<title>by: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-25640</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Colleenmike - ID proponents don't see the connection.  They start with the assumption that both evolution and islam are equally wrong and they are right.  That's part of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleenmike - ID proponents don&#8217;t see the connection.  They start with the assumption that both evolution and islam are equally wrong and they are right.  That&#8217;s part of the problem.
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		<title>by: Colleenmike</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-25632</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wonder if ID proponents realize that they are on the same side as Islam--fascist?  Both believe that evolution is hooey.  There you have it,  creationist and militant Islamist have divided the world and plan to rule side by side.  
 
Did anyone mention that evolution says nothing about creation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if ID proponents realize that they are on the same side as Islam&#8211;fascist?  Both believe that evolution is hooey.  There you have it,  creationist and militant Islamist have divided the world and plan to rule side by side.  </p>
<p>Did anyone mention that evolution says nothing about creation?
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		<title>by: Ron Britton</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-25629</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-25629</guid>
					<description>Judas:

Your comment is a bit vague.  Could you clarify it?  Train wrecks are funny if they're in a cartoon and nobody gets hurt.  They're a tragedy when it's our educational system and students are taught the misinformation of creationism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judas:</p>
<p>Your comment is a bit vague.  Could you clarify it?  Train wrecks are funny if they&#8217;re in a cartoon and nobody gets hurt.  They&#8217;re a tragedy when it&#8217;s our educational system and students are taught the misinformation of creationism.
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		<title>by: Judas McRave</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-25627</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Train wrecks are hilarious.</description>
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		<title>by: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-14210</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-14210</guid>
					<description>Supermanchild - Sigh, as in most drive-by posters, Knuckelz is probably gone for good.  

I must admit that a lot of pro-ID (or at least, the pro-Doubt-Evolution) groups are getting creative.  Instead of just arguing against observed fact and solid scientific theories (which is basically impossible to win a real debate against), they are starting to try to appeal to our emotions and act like they are on our side and then inject pseudoscientific statements that are designed, I believe, to make us sympathetic to a knowledgable comrade and maybe finally admit "hey yea, maybe you are right, I guess I have doubts too."  Except that we don't becuse it's hard to doubt something you see proven evidence exists, so it won't work.  But it is creative.

Reminds me of this &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prick_Up_Your_Ears_(Family_Guy)" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia link. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow"&gt;Family Guy episode&lt;/a&gt;.

If you didn't see it, there's a scene where a preacher comes in and "relates" to the kids at James Woods High by bashing their high school rival, talking in teen vernacular (sort of), and other tactics, to order to win their trust and spread misinformation about condoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supermanchild - Sigh, as in most drive-by posters, Knuckelz is probably gone for good.  </p>
<p>I must admit that a lot of pro-ID (or at least, the pro-Doubt-Evolution) groups are getting creative.  Instead of just arguing against observed fact and solid scientific theories (which is basically impossible to win a real debate against), they are starting to try to appeal to our emotions and act like they are on our side and then inject pseudoscientific statements that are designed, I believe, to make us sympathetic to a knowledgable comrade and maybe finally admit &#8220;hey yea, maybe you are right, I guess I have doubts too.&#8221;  Except that we don&#8217;t becuse it&#8217;s hard to doubt something you see proven evidence exists, so it won&#8217;t work.  But it is creative.</p>
<p>Reminds me of this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prick_Up_Your_Ears_(Family_Guy)" target="_blank" title="Wikipedia link. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">Family Guy episode</a>.</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t see it, there&#8217;s a scene where a preacher comes in and &#8220;relates&#8221; to the kids at James Woods High by bashing their high school rival, talking in teen vernacular (sort of), and other tactics, to order to win their trust and spread misinformation about condoms.
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		<title>by: Supermanchild</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-14183</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/361/intelligent-design-venn-diagram#comment-14183</guid>
					<description>Knuckelz, a few more qualms with your rebuttal of Parrotlover's argument, namely, that it didn't happen.  You didn't actually address the point he made except through an assertion to the contrary, for which you provided no justification.  I say no justification because you finished your comment with a condescending attitude and a fallacious argument, the appeal to authority.  Specifically, the authority of an anonymous person on the internet.  If you are really a science major, then I would advise you to hit the books a little harder.  Constructing logical arguments clears up discussion and that helps everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knuckelz, a few more qualms with your rebuttal of Parrotlover&#8217;s argument, namely, that it didn&#8217;t happen.  You didn&#8217;t actually address the point he made except through an assertion to the contrary, for which you provided no justification.  I say no justification because you finished your comment with a condescending attitude and a fallacious argument, the appeal to authority.  Specifically, the authority of an anonymous person on the internet.  If you are really a science major, then I would advise you to hit the books a little harder.  Constructing logical arguments clears up discussion and that helps everyone involved.
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