McCain Sucks (Up)

John Hagee wants Armageddon now.

During the 2000 election, John McCain called Jerry Falwell an “agent of intolerance”. That was probably the last time I had any respect for the guy. In the years since, his true colors have become apparent. By 2006, McCain was sucking at the teat of intolerance; he gave the commencement speech at Falwell’s Liberty University.

A couple of days ago, one of the most radical and dangerous of all fundies, John Hagee, endorsed McCain. Think Progress has a good article about this. According to the article, McCain “had been courting the endorsement for over a year”. McCain has become the very thing he criticized eight years ago: an agent of intolerance.

The Think Progress article is short and well worth the read. The most important part to remember is that Hagee has previously stated:

The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.

No wonder Hagee endorsed McCain. He knows that McCain is the perfect candidate who will escalate war in the Middle East.

15 Responses to “McCain Sucks (Up)”

  1. Christopher Says:

    Please tell me that you’re joking. That the Hagee quote was a misquote or something. Why in the world would anyone deliberately try to bring about the end of the world? Which is what “armageddon” is.

  2. Parrotlover77 Says:

    A lot of the rapturists look forward to the end days because they see it as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy (validation of their beliefs) as well as the time they get to hang out with Jesus for eternity while all the evil people (abortionists and liberals) go straight to hell. So they don’t see it as what it actually will be: sensless death and destruction set forth to prove that the Christian God has a bigger dick than Allah. They see it as the final epic battle where good prevails over evil and the purpose of all of creation is revealed.

    It takes a pretty delusional mind or a hell of a lot of LSD for that to sound like a great idea.

  3. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Also, Saint John “Maverick” McCain lost my respect the same time he did yours, Ron. I never would have voted for the guy, I don’t think, but back in 2000 when Bush was smearing him all over the pavement, I felt really bad because he really seemed like an honest Republican (at the time) while Bush was just slinging mud left and right. He really did a great job of fooling people back in 2000, but he has certainly learned in the last eight years that looking honest isn’t nearly as important as sucking up to the base. Someday the press will do its job and stop sucking up to him. Although the whole lobbiest scandal thing was a good start, the press has a long way to go in revealing the true McCain. Too many, far too many, media outlets defended McCain. Whereas with Hillary Clinton, for example, if she wears the wrong pantsuit, she’s criticized.

    As Atrios (atrios.blogspot.com) would say, our political discourse is so stupid.

  4. cipher Says:

    Thank you for writing about this; no one ever talks about it. I’ve lost a tremendous amount of respect for McCain. I recently hear it said that McCain and Romney have pretended to be more conservative on social issues than they really are, and that if one of them were to be elected, he’d move back toward a centrist position. I’ll vote for a Democrat anyway, but I don’t know what to believe.

    Part of the end times scenario is the belief that this is triggered by a critical number of Jews emigrating to Israel. At that time, Jesus returns, Armageddon begins (there are competing versions), a few Jews accept Jesus and get saved, and the rest die horribly and spend eternity in hell. As a Jew, I’m appalled that so many (theologically and politically) conservative Jews have gotten into bed with the Christian Right in general, and with this man in particular. I’ve been told that Israel needs their money and political support. If it’s true, I hate that it has to be that way – but I understand the necessity of being pragmatic. The problem is, no Jew has ever said to me, “Yes, they’re insane, and their theology is an abomination – but we need them, so shut up and don’t make waves.” Instead, all I ever hear is “Well, we don’t believe we’re going to hell – so why do you care?” This positively floors me. I’m at a point at which I don’t even know how to respond to it any longer.

  5. Jianying Ji Says:

    Cipher you hit the nail on the head. Conservative Jews often label liberal Jews “self-hating” Jews, but I can’t imagine anything more self-hating then what the conservative Jews are doing with the Christian Right. The Christian Right’s offer is not much different then that of the inquisitor, except worse. The inquisitor offers convert or die. The Christian Right offers convert and die.

  6. Troy Says:

    It is too bad McCain felt he had to do this. I suspect that this attempt to mend fences with the religious right haven’t changed his core beliefs. It is a bit Machiavellian but that’s politics I guess. Incidentally, I can’t vote for him for his Falwell pandering as well as the fact that I feel it is in the nation’s best interest to get out of Iraq as soon as possible. Yes, Iraq will be a mess for a while but ultimately it is a money pit which will eventually destroy the future.

  7. cipher Says:

    The Christian Right’s offer is not much different then that of the inquisitor, except worse. The inquisitor offers convert or die. The Christian Right offers convert and die.

    I think the consensus is that the Jews who convert get to live, then spend eternity in heaven – but I agree with you in principle. And, the thing is – within the parameters of that scenario, they really aren’t even interested in our conversion. We’re pawns in the end-times scenario; we’re acceptable losses.

    But that’s evangelical theology anyway, isn’t it? Perhaps a few million go to heaven, while billions suffer unimaginably for all of eternity. Their entire world view is based upon the idea of “acceptable losses”. I think this helps to explain the merger of the Christian Right and the Republican party. Both sides are committed ideologically to the idea of winners and losers – again, “acceptable losses”. I’m only surprised that it took so long for them to realize it.

  8. commander other Says:

    okay, all this intellectual conversation was nice and and all that, but i feel compelled to point out that in profile, dude bears a striking resemblance to Karl Rove. coincidence? methinks not!

    ~ back to the less exoteric ~

    Christopher, having grown up in a relatively ultra-conservative household, allow me to assert that Hagee’s quotation above is neither incorrect nor out of context. remember that neoconservatives, in general, have a huge problem with telling the truth. this is largely because they don’t realize how often, or how completely, they lie to themselves. as a result, they have no idea of the grave consequences that will abound, both for themselves and the world at large, should the desired/anticipated result of their religious beliefs come to fruition. they are not aware that they subscribe to a delusional worldview. they do not comprehend that their every interaction with each other and the world is based upon, contained within, and an expression of, their collective delusion.

    yes, they honestly believe that their imaginary friend with the holes in his hands and side will literally come back and shepherd them away into an eternity of spiritual bliss, and are collectively willfully ignorant of the fact that their institutionalized intolerance, bigotry, duplicity, and idolatry would actually preclude them to the delusional honor they expect to have bestowed upon them. and just as steadfastly, they believe that hastening into a global thermonuclear confrontation with Iran or anyone else will bring their Holey Son of God all the sooner (pun intended).

    they think they’ll be heroes for it. they believe they’ll become saints for it. i don’t believe it’s an issue so much of “acceptable losses”. it’s an issue of, “those people aren’t saved, they haven’t accepted christ into their lives (the way we have), so they don’t matter.” armageddon isn’t a loss to them, even if it would be their own loved ones and family members who wouldn’t get sucked up into their delusional rapture. no, it wouldn’t be a loss, it’d be a cleansing.

  9. cipher Says:

    Commander Other, let me ask you something. I recently read a statement of Brain McLaren’s; he said he thinks that evangelicals don’t really think fully about the consequences of their beliefs, that if they really pictured their unsaved friends and loved ones being cast into hell forever, they’d end up either going crazy or hating God. I quoted him on another blog, and said that I disagree with him. I think that many conservative evangelicals picture the scenario in their minds quite explicitly, and that they anticipate the spectacle with great eagerness. A couple of people who had grown up in evangelical homes told me how wrong I am, that evangelicals generally feel very anxious about what they believe to be the impending fate of nonbelievers. I don’t buy it; I think they relish the idea of belonging to an exclusive “club” of the saved, and that the idea of the eternal damnation of unbelievers is, among other things, a power fantasy for many of them (frankly, I think there’s a good deal of eroticism mixed in there as well, but we’ll leave that aside).

    I’d be interested in your opinion. (And I suppose he does reemble like Carl Rove, if he got crossed with the Pillsbury Doughboy!)

  10. commander other Says:

    naturally, i can’t speak to the inner workings of the minds, large and small, of every fundamentalist. however, there is a natural tendency towards retribution by those who feel themselves oppressed. retribution being something both beyond and more profound than simple revenge. get some of these people alone in a place that’s comfortable for them, and you’ll quickly realize that these are actually some of the most amoral, vituperative, salacious, malicious, malignant people on the planet.

    at least for my experience.

    Blaise Pascal said, “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.” i believe that is true, because those of fundamentalist religious beliefs are generally sadists. after all, looking back through history, the vast majority of mass murderers and extremist autocrats were devoutly religious. for some, the dangerous delusion under which they have confined themselves goes very, very deep. it is erotic, because even perceived power is erotic.

    through my relationships with fundamentalists, though, i believe it is only a small handful of them (perhaps who could be considered to be the “true” fundamentalists) who possess the imagination and creativity to actively envision the various acts of biblical punishment typically described as waiting for the “damned”. moreover, they revel in the belief that they know the Mind of God well enough to be able to identify the damned: and yes, that presumably secret knowledge is also erotic. but again, these are a collective minority, relegated largely to a segment of the population that doesn’t have to frequently confront the inherent juxtaposition between the workaday reality and the religious delusion. i believe that most of the rest of them can only intellectualize these concepts, but they do so without the romanticism of the true fundamentalists. they either lack the ability to envision those conditions, or they conveniently apply their willful ignorance to the matter.

    so, i would agree with McLaren to the extent that his assertion, applied to the general majority of fundamentalists, and even more broadly to conservatives, is probably accurate. i’m not saying these people are stupid, ignorant, or incompetent. indeed, i think many of them are quite intelligent. but the easiest person for a person to fool is oneself, and the intelligent ones are quite adept at enforcing the required subconscious denial. however, these people (who some inappropriately perceive and reference as “sheeple”) are led by a handful of highly creative and intelligent leaders who are more than capable of envisioning Hell, Armageddon, and general retribution for their perceived persecutions. i think these people think about it quite fully, and quite intimately. i don’t know how they internally justify their own depravity (and presumably, not all of them are necessarily depraved), but indeed, there are some who are quite intoxicated by the delusion.

    if you have friends that are worried about the impending fate of nonbelievers, that’s hopefully indicative of reason interfering with their delusion. but, frankly, i doubt it. that concern doesn’t necessarily indicate that they really allow themselves to imagine what the presumed fate of nonbelievers would be. it’s quite easy to be concerned about the destruction of mankind, especially when it might include their own friends and family members. this is the emotional basis of conversion, anyway, and it sets up the converter as a savior. not only is it easy to be concerned about the damned, doing so is easier than anticipating, probably baselessly (per the edicts of their religion), their own salvation from it. it’s an easy, scripturally mandated distraction from the reality that per their own dogma, they don’t deserve salvation.

  11. Daniel Says:

    Well, mcain denounces hagee cause god used hitler as a devine tool and fat dumb america thinks democrats are going to change shit. What can you do?

  12. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs Says:

    Daniel: ???. More coherently please.

  13. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Every politician must denounce, renounce, repudiate, depudiate, and make endless speech after endless speech about how they are, indeed, their own person and do not necessarily share the views of aquaintances and associates!

    Our political discourse is so stupid. I’m as liberal as they come in the USA, but even I think McCain being pressured (by the media) to denounce somebody he knows because that person is monumentally stupid is just a freaking waste of time. Just like the Obama/Wright thing. For crying out loud, there are more important problems!

    As for the “fat dumb america” comment… Apparently Daniel hasn’t been paying attention to the past 30 years. Republican president = debt, war, and recession. Democratic president = prosperity, balanced budget, and a healthy economy. Odd, that.

  14. Ron Britton Says:

    Parrotlover:

    I’m as liberal as they come in the USA, but even I think McCain being pressured (by the media) to denounce somebody he knows because that person is monumentally stupid is just a freaking waste of time.

    You’d have a point if Hagee merely endorsed McCain out of the blue. Instead, McCain actively wooed Hagee’s endorsement. McCain knew full well what Hagee was all about, and he chose to go after the endorsement anyway.

  15. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I understand and respect that argument, Ron. I guess I just think McCain’s policies are so awful on their own, he doesn’t need to be brought down because he courted a crazy religious kook to get the right-wing base on board with him. Part of my opinion might be because I’m so freaking tired of hearing about Rev. Wright too. I’d rather focus on the politician than associates he takes on as a part of the “political game.” Now the lobbyists that are retiring left and right that worked very actively as a part of his campaign, THAT’s a story.