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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll:  Damn, you nailed us! Yeah!  Ted Haggard: complete stereotype, hypocritically exposed as a hypocrite by left-wing propagandists.  Ray Comfort: ditto. Creationist legislature in Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Louisiana, Oklahoma - all left-wing elitist propaganda to make the right-wing look like a bunch of batshit-crazy morons.  Mocking adults whose beliefs would embarrass an intelligent five-year-old…it&#039;s a left-wing plot.  Making fun of a dead Jew who probably never even existed - wow, now that there&#039;s some elitism.  
Intelligence, humor, and facts…pure evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll:  Damn, you nailed us! Yeah!  Ted Haggard: complete stereotype, hypocritically exposed as a hypocrite by left-wing propagandists.  Ray Comfort: ditto. Creationist legislature in Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Louisiana, Oklahoma &#8211; all left-wing elitist propaganda to make the right-wing look like a bunch of batshit-crazy morons.  Mocking adults whose beliefs would embarrass an intelligent five-year-old…it&#8217;s a left-wing plot.  Making fun of a dead Jew who probably never even existed &#8211; wow, now that there&#8217;s some elitism.<br />
Intelligence, humor, and facts…pure evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Greek Warriors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greek Warriors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I suppose you think Paganism is funny too and that Chronos didn&#039;t eat all his children until he was fed a rock that he thought was Zues, who then casterated him creating the world and many of the monsters of the under world from his blood? So you&#039;re saying that&#039;s wrong too! Pagan&#039;s and Christians unite under the creationist banner! WE ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! SACRIFICE A COW YOU TWERPS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I suppose you think Paganism is funny too and that Chronos didn&#8217;t eat all his children until he was fed a rock that he thought was Zues, who then casterated him creating the world and many of the monsters of the under world from his blood? So you&#8217;re saying that&#8217;s wrong too! Pagan&#8217;s and Christians unite under the creationist banner! WE ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! SACRIFICE A COW YOU TWERPS!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll:

Please give me specific examples of the hypocrisy you accuse me of.  Since there are &quot;boundless&quot; examples, that shouldn&#039;t be difficult for you.  Apparently was, though, because you couldn&#039;t provide any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll:</p>
<p>Please give me specific examples of the hypocrisy you accuse me of.  Since there are &#8220;boundless&#8221; examples, that shouldn&#8217;t be difficult for you.  Apparently was, though, because you couldn&#8217;t provide any.</p>
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		<title>By: Nonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! Your hypocrisy is boundless! All of these things you&#039;re critical of in the right are left-wing propaganda stereotypes, yet you prove you are, in reality, more guilty of your accusations than those you accuse. Try to step out of shangri-la once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! Your hypocrisy is boundless! All of these things you&#8217;re critical of in the right are left-wing propaganda stereotypes, yet you prove you are, in reality, more guilty of your accusations than those you accuse. Try to step out of shangri-la once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Coty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
If you like agnostic, go with it. If you like atheist, go with it too. I doubt very much that the finer details of your thoughts on unanswerable questions really differentiates any of us very much at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks :) I personally like the term &quot;Atheist-leaning Agnostic&quot; myself.


&lt;blockquote&gt;
I never claimed that I was agnostic. I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to “logically dismantle” other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can’t comprehend, and arguing about it is futile.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That may ring true to you, but I know that I don&#039;t believe in the supernatural. I can admit that there are a few things we can&#039;t comprehend now, like certain forms of advanced physics, but we&#039;ll know thoroughly soon enough. I can say with certainty that the Abrahamic gods don&#039;t exist, but I&#039;m open to the possibility of some sort of Brahman-like deity.</description>
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If you like agnostic, go with it. If you like atheist, go with it too. I doubt very much that the finer details of your thoughts on unanswerable questions really differentiates any of us very much at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I personally like the term &#8220;Atheist-leaning Agnostic&#8221; myself.</p>
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I never claimed that I was agnostic. I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to “logically dismantle” other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can’t comprehend, and arguing about it is futile.</p></blockquote>
<p>That may ring true to you, but I know that I don&#8217;t believe in the supernatural. I can admit that there are a few things we can&#8217;t comprehend now, like certain forms of advanced physics, but we&#8217;ll know thoroughly soon enough. I can say with certainty that the Abrahamic gods don&#8217;t exist, but I&#8217;m open to the possibility of some sort of Brahman-like deity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ged:

&lt;blockquote&gt;well you claim to have not stated that god does not exist- maybe review the cartoon you posted and you might see why I disagreed with your views on christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I only agree 100% with the stuff I write.  I occasionally post cartoons and photographs by others that I somewhat agree with or that make good points effectively.  This is exactly the same as a left-wing or right-wing newspaper that publishes political cartoons on their editorial page.  The cartoons represent a variety of views on that end of the political spectrum.  You wouldn&#039;t expect that the editors of the newspaper completely agree with every aspect of every cartoon they publish.

&lt;blockquote&gt;No, I haven&#039;t read your entire blog, I am not that interested in you and why should I be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet you somehow still feel qualified to criticize me based on insufficient data.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The condescending nature of the cartoons is what forms the image of the elitist atheism/agnostic faith you have chosen to pursue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cartoons I didn&#039;t write.  If you had bothered to read the website, you would have gotten a more accurate image.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to &quot;logically dismantle&quot; other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can&#039;t comprehend&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t go around &quot;logically dismantling other people&#039;s beliefs&quot; because I disagree with them.  I&#039;ve always left people alone to believe what they want, as long as they leave me alone.  I only pummel mistaken beliefs when those beliefs are forced upon me, or they are used to change government policy.

&lt;blockquote&gt;and arguing about it is futile.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The only arguing I&#039;m doing is with you.  I normally just report on some problem caused by fundies and point out where they have deviated from the facts or the Constitution.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s when you post the &quot;special bonus&quot; cartoons which are narrow minded and hateful that really annoys me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The internet is a big place.  Why do you visit a place that annoys you?

&lt;blockquote&gt;have you ever thought to properly explore creationism beyond the idiots who expose the faiths weaknesses&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have.  Extensively.  It&#039;s turtles all the way down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ged:</p>
<blockquote><p>well you claim to have not stated that god does not exist- maybe review the cartoon you posted and you might see why I disagreed with your views on christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I only agree 100% with the stuff I write.  I occasionally post cartoons and photographs by others that I somewhat agree with or that make good points effectively.  This is exactly the same as a left-wing or right-wing newspaper that publishes political cartoons on their editorial page.  The cartoons represent a variety of views on that end of the political spectrum.  You wouldn&#8217;t expect that the editors of the newspaper completely agree with every aspect of every cartoon they publish.</p>
<blockquote><p>No, I haven&#8217;t read your entire blog, I am not that interested in you and why should I be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet you somehow still feel qualified to criticize me based on insufficient data.</p>
<blockquote><p>The condescending nature of the cartoons is what forms the image of the elitist atheism/agnostic faith you have chosen to pursue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cartoons I didn&#8217;t write.  If you had bothered to read the website, you would have gotten a more accurate image.</p>
<blockquote><p>I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to &#8220;logically dismantle&#8221; other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can&#8217;t comprehend</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t go around &#8220;logically dismantling other people&#8217;s beliefs&#8221; because I disagree with them.  I&#8217;ve always left people alone to believe what they want, as long as they leave me alone.  I only pummel mistaken beliefs when those beliefs are forced upon me, or they are used to change government policy.</p>
<blockquote><p>and arguing about it is futile.</p></blockquote>
<p>The only arguing I&#8217;m doing is with you.  I normally just report on some problem caused by fundies and point out where they have deviated from the facts or the Constitution.</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s when you post the &#8220;special bonus&#8221; cartoons which are narrow minded and hateful that really annoys me.</p></blockquote>
<p>The internet is a big place.  Why do you visit a place that annoys you?</p>
<blockquote><p>have you ever thought to properly explore creationism beyond the idiots who expose the faiths weaknesses</p></blockquote>
<p>I have.  Extensively.  It&#8217;s turtles all the way down.</p>
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		<title>By: sue blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay - if there&#039;s one cardinal sign common to all mental illnesses, it&#039;s concrete thinking - a complete inability to abstract.  Everything&#039;s got to be black or white, up or down, good or bad, all or nothing.  Ask a schizophrenic why people who live in glass houses shouldn&#039;t throw stones and he or she&#039;ll tell you it&#039;s because the glass will break.  Funny that religious fundies demonstrate this cardinal sign of psychiatric disorders so clearly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay &#8211; if there&#8217;s one cardinal sign common to all mental illnesses, it&#8217;s concrete thinking &#8211; a complete inability to abstract.  Everything&#8217;s got to be black or white, up or down, good or bad, all or nothing.  Ask a schizophrenic why people who live in glass houses shouldn&#8217;t throw stones and he or she&#8217;ll tell you it&#8217;s because the glass will break.  Funny that religious fundies demonstrate this cardinal sign of psychiatric disorders so clearly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teh True Colors&#8482; are coming out now!  Properly exploring creationism is easy...read Genesis. People like Ken Ham have had to work triple over time to fit all evidence to the contrary into the YE framework, and it is a very poor job indeed.  Evolution has been tested, refined, and is the widely accepted theory amongst scientists for decades.  

It&#039;s funny, even at 8 years old I remember going to catechism and hearing the creation story and thinking it was an interesting story but otherwise a load of shite.  Actually, the Catholic Church has even caught on and accepts the theory of Evolution, and we know the Vatican accepts change at a glacial pace. I just have never understood why fundies have absolutely no comprehension of symbolism...why everything so literal man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teh True Colors&#8482; are coming out now!  Properly exploring creationism is easy&#8230;read Genesis. People like Ken Ham have had to work triple over time to fit all evidence to the contrary into the YE framework, and it is a very poor job indeed.  Evolution has been tested, refined, and is the widely accepted theory amongst scientists for decades.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, even at 8 years old I remember going to catechism and hearing the creation story and thinking it was an interesting story but otherwise a load of shite.  Actually, the Catholic Church has even caught on and accepts the theory of Evolution, and we know the Vatican accepts change at a glacial pace. I just have never understood why fundies have absolutely no comprehension of symbolism&#8230;why everything so literal man?</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think elitist means what you think it means.</description>
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		<title>By: Ged</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well you claim to have not stated that god does not exist- maybe review the cartoon you posted and you might see why I disagreed with your views on christianity.
 No, I haven&#039;t read your entire blog, I am not that interested in you and why should I be.
 The condescending nature of the cartoons is what forms the image of the elitist atheism/agnostic faith you have chosen to pursue.
I never claimed that I was agnostic. I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to &quot;logically dismantle&quot; other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can&#039;t comprehend, and arguing about it is futile. 
I don&#039;t mind your stance on creationism, and I don&#039;t mind that you have a blog dedicated to adding scientific proof to deny it. It&#039;s when you post the &quot;special bonus&quot; cartoons which are narrow minded and hateful that really annoys me. 
And though you ridicule me for not reading your entire blog before responding to it, have you ever thought to properly explore creationism beyond the idiots who expose the faiths weaknesses e.g (happy now?) sarah palin and this bannana guy who&#039;s name illudes me. 
I would like to point out that I am not &quot;anonymous&#039; I am &quot;anon&quot; and I will change my name to Ged to avoid confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well you claim to have not stated that god does not exist- maybe review the cartoon you posted and you might see why I disagreed with your views on christianity.<br />
 No, I haven&#8217;t read your entire blog, I am not that interested in you and why should I be.<br />
 The condescending nature of the cartoons is what forms the image of the elitist atheism/agnostic faith you have chosen to pursue.<br />
I never claimed that I was agnostic. I can respect agnostics because rather than attempting to &#8220;logically dismantle&#8221; other peoples beliefs they instead respect the fact that there is a whole world of things, spiritual and non-spiritual that humans can&#8217;t comprehend, and arguing about it is futile.<br />
I don&#8217;t mind your stance on creationism, and I don&#8217;t mind that you have a blog dedicated to adding scientific proof to deny it. It&#8217;s when you post the &#8220;special bonus&#8221; cartoons which are narrow minded and hateful that really annoys me.<br />
And though you ridicule me for not reading your entire blog before responding to it, have you ever thought to properly explore creationism beyond the idiots who expose the faiths weaknesses e.g (happy now?) sarah palin and this bannana guy who&#8217;s name illudes me.<br />
I would like to point out that I am not &#8220;anonymous&#8217; I am &#8220;anon&#8221; and I will change my name to Ged to avoid confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, god. It’s people like Anon who give Agnostics a bad name :/ Believe me, we’re not all kooks!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s probably why a lot of nonbelievers simply use atheist now.  There was a time when the understood definition of atheist was more final, rigid, and deterministic; no amount of contrary evidence could ever sway.  Now the term is used in a more relaxed way.  I&#039;ve seen a lot of terminology (weak atheist, hard atheist, militant atheist, weak agnostic, hard agnostic, nonbeliever, humanist, etc.).  Really it doesn&#039;t matter.

If you like agnostic, go with it.  If you like atheist, go with it too.  I doubt very much that the finer details of your thoughts on unanswerable questions really differentiates any of us very much at all.

I still like the term agnostic, even if it&#039;s fallen out of favor (probably largely due to pretencious douchebags like anon).  But again, who cares? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, god. It’s people like Anon who give Agnostics a bad name :/ Believe me, we’re not all kooks!</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s probably why a lot of nonbelievers simply use atheist now.  There was a time when the understood definition of atheist was more final, rigid, and deterministic; no amount of contrary evidence could ever sway.  Now the term is used in a more relaxed way.  I&#8217;ve seen a lot of terminology (weak atheist, hard atheist, militant atheist, weak agnostic, hard agnostic, nonbeliever, humanist, etc.).  Really it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>If you like agnostic, go with it.  If you like atheist, go with it too.  I doubt very much that the finer details of your thoughts on unanswerable questions really differentiates any of us very much at all.</p>
<p>I still like the term agnostic, even if it&#8217;s fallen out of favor (probably largely due to pretencious douchebags like anon).  But again, who cares? <img src='http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m 16, hence wanting to be careful with what I give away on the internet (my name and e-mail address).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Anonymous comments on random blogs are not exactly difficult to trace backwards with an IP address, comments style/pattern matching, a smidgen of social engineering, some careless weak passwords, facebook, and little elbow grease.  You would be surprised.  Nobody &lt;em&gt;here&lt;/em&gt; is going to do that.  But, don&#039;t be this cocky everywhere.

When you are done being a know-it-all teen (I was that way too), we&#039;ll be happy to have an actual discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m 16, hence wanting to be careful with what I give away on the internet (my name and e-mail address).</p></blockquote>
<p>Anonymous comments on random blogs are not exactly difficult to trace backwards with an IP address, comments style/pattern matching, a smidgen of social engineering, some careless weak passwords, facebook, and little elbow grease.  You would be surprised.  Nobody <em>here</em> is going to do that.  But, don&#8217;t be this cocky everywhere.</p>
<p>When you are done being a know-it-all teen (I was that way too), we&#8217;ll be happy to have an actual discussion.</p>
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