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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-13279</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I hear things like "it's in the margins" when describing abhorent policies such as Bush's tax cuts (you know, because uneducated li'l me can't possibly comprehend the awesomeness that is George W. Bush's massive intellect), I begin to think I'm in a 3-card monte game where if I pick the wrong card, I lose my retirement.

And my health care.

And my job.

Remember when privatizing Social Security sounded like an amazing plan and "all the cool kids were doing it?"  Yea, me either.  Thankfully, we won that one.  Can you imagine if Social Security was wrapped up in the mortgage crisis right now?

At least Alexander conceded that Huckabee is an idiot.  Let's all hold hands now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I hear things like &#8220;it&#8217;s in the margins&#8221; when describing abhorent policies such as Bush&#8217;s tax cuts (you know, because uneducated li&#8217;l me can&#8217;t possibly comprehend the awesomeness that is George W. Bush&#8217;s massive intellect), I begin to think I&#8217;m in a 3-card monte game where if I pick the wrong card, I lose my retirement.</p>
<p>And my health care.</p>
<p>And my job.</p>
<p>Remember when privatizing Social Security sounded like an amazing plan and &#8220;all the cool kids were doing it?&#8221;  Yea, me either.  Thankfully, we won that one.  Can you imagine if Social Security was wrapped up in the mortgage crisis right now?</p>
<p>At least Alexander conceded that Huckabee is an idiot.  Let&#8217;s all hold hands now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-13273</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander:

I don't have an opinion on the Fair Tax, because I haven't studied it.  It's easy to find a lot of economists who don't like it, so that's reason to be cautious.  Huckabee throws it around like it's a foregone conclusion that it's a superior system.

I do not doubt your qualifications as an economist, but your statements can't be considered as much more than opinion.  Economics is not a science in the same way that physics and biology are.  Systems cannot be isolated and tested.  All you have are giant economies to tinker with.  There are so many variables, and their effects so chaotic, that it is difficult to make firm conclusions, especially in the areas of prediction.  It's far easier to go back and determine the causes of the Great Depression (although there are a differing opinions there, too) than it is to predict what will happen if a given economic policy is implemented.

Many economists disagree with your assessment of Bush's $1,000,000,000,000 tax cuts.  It's difficult to know for certain, as I just pointed out.  But hindsight is clearer than foresight, and it appears that the primary beneficiaries of the tax cuts were Bush's rich buddies.  For example, &lt;a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml" target="_blank" title="Go to CBS news article on Bush's bailout of the rich. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow"&gt;CBS news reported&lt;/a&gt; in 2004 on a report by the Congressional Budget Office:

&lt;blockquote&gt;President Bush's tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation's rich to middle-class families, according to a study released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an opinion on the Fair Tax, because I haven&#8217;t studied it.  It&#8217;s easy to find a lot of economists who don&#8217;t like it, so that&#8217;s reason to be cautious.  Huckabee throws it around like it&#8217;s a foregone conclusion that it&#8217;s a superior system.</p>
<p>I do not doubt your qualifications as an economist, but your statements can&#8217;t be considered as much more than opinion.  Economics is not a science in the same way that physics and biology are.  Systems cannot be isolated and tested.  All you have are giant economies to tinker with.  There are so many variables, and their effects so chaotic, that it is difficult to make firm conclusions, especially in the areas of prediction.  It&#8217;s far easier to go back and determine the causes of the Great Depression (although there are a differing opinions there, too) than it is to predict what will happen if a given economic policy is implemented.</p>
<p>Many economists disagree with your assessment of Bush&#8217;s $1,000,000,000,000 tax cuts.  It&#8217;s difficult to know for certain, as I just pointed out.  But hindsight is clearer than foresight, and it appears that the primary beneficiaries of the tax cuts were Bush&#8217;s rich buddies.  For example, <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml" target="_blank" title="Go to CBS news article on Bush's bailout of the rich. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">CBS news reported</a> in 2004 on a report by the Congressional Budget Office:</p>
<blockquote><p>President Bush&#8217;s tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation&#8217;s rich to middle-class families, according to a study released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-13270</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an economist, I'd just like to point out that the FairTax system is actually not only MORE workable than our current tax system due to its ease of use but it should get the same revenue (spending=income). It doesn't put the same pressures on the lower class, it encourages saving and effectively acts like an unlimited IRA, which have been touted as wonderful idea by economists for quite a while (See: Steven E. Landsburg). 

As for tax cuts, those who say that they favor the rich tend not to have much economic training. In economics, everything is in the margin. Every single tax cut Bush has mad has affected each quintile equally. It only appears that the rich got the biggest break because they were already paying the highest marginal amount.

Huckabee is an idiot and there is good reason to be afraid of him, but he's got his economics down pat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an economist, I&#8217;d just like to point out that the FairTax system is actually not only MORE workable than our current tax system due to its ease of use but it should get the same revenue (spending=income). It doesn&#8217;t put the same pressures on the lower class, it encourages saving and effectively acts like an unlimited IRA, which have been touted as wonderful idea by economists for quite a while (See: Steven E. Landsburg). </p>
<p>As for tax cuts, those who say that they favor the rich tend not to have much economic training. In economics, everything is in the margin. Every single tax cut Bush has mad has affected each quintile equally. It only appears that the rich got the biggest break because they were already paying the highest marginal amount.</p>
<p>Huckabee is an idiot and there is good reason to be afraid of him, but he&#8217;s got his economics down pat.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-12263</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's "believe" as in when a child says, "I believe in Santa," and there's "believe" as in the song lyric, "Do you believe in rock and roll?"  When people confuse the two, I always wonder whether it's due to malice or incompetence.

&lt;i&gt;I believe in America.  I believe it exists. . .&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s &#8220;believe&#8221; as in when a child says, &#8220;I believe in Santa,&#8221; and there&#8217;s &#8220;believe&#8221; as in the song lyric, &#8220;Do you believe in rock and roll?&#8221;  When people confuse the two, I always wonder whether it&#8217;s due to malice or incompetence.</p>
<p><i>I believe in America.  I believe it exists. . .</i></p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-12070</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there is the possibility that Gen. Petraues may actually be a robot controlled by Cheney.  So I dunno...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there is the possibility that Gen. Petraues may actually be a robot controlled by Cheney.  So I dunno&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-12064</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I believe..."
"I believe..."
"I believe..."
and so on...

 Personally I tend to be more interested in things people can prove, rather than what they believe.

 Oh and; 'I believe in... General Petraeus'? Is there some doubt as to his existence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I believe&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I believe&#8230;&#8221;<br />
and so on&#8230;</p>
<p> Personally I tend to be more interested in things people can prove, rather than what they believe.</p>
<p> Oh and; &#8216;I believe in&#8230; General Petraeus&#8217;? Is there some doubt as to his existence?</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-12054</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting an e-mail from Huckabee would, for me, be like opening my door to find a flaming sack of dogshit on my porch.   I regard anything that comes out of that gasbag with the same respect that I accord the canine fecal matter I would scrape from the bottom of my shoe.  

You are a brave soul indeed for reading and analyzing that fundie crap for the rest of us atheists.  And you do a such a good job!  Thanks!  Keep up the good work.  I really enjoy this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting an e-mail from Huckabee would, for me, be like opening my door to find a flaming sack of dogshit on my porch.   I regard anything that comes out of that gasbag with the same respect that I accord the canine fecal matter I would scrape from the bottom of my shoe.  </p>
<p>You are a brave soul indeed for reading and analyzing that fundie crap for the rest of us atheists.  And you do a such a good job!  Thanks!  Keep up the good work.  I really enjoy this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/345/love-letter-from-mike#comment-12044</link>
		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His letter is telling in that the so-called "Fair Tax" and the Bush Tax Cuts are incompatible.  The Fair Tax replaces the income tax (and, I would imagine, capital gains tax, and anything else remotely "incomey") with a federal 35 to 40% sales tax (don't believe the 23% hype -- they are converting the actual tax on sales to an approximation of income spent... it's "fuzzy math" to say the least).

Anyway, Huck's support of both is like saying, "I promise to continue to keep our military fighting in Iraq.  I also promise to completely redeploy the military to the moon."

What a tool.

BTW, The "bad reporter" pic is absolutely priceless!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His letter is telling in that the so-called &#8220;Fair Tax&#8221; and the Bush Tax Cuts are incompatible.  The Fair Tax replaces the income tax (and, I would imagine, capital gains tax, and anything else remotely &#8220;incomey&#8221;) with a federal 35 to 40% sales tax (don&#8217;t believe the 23% hype &#8212; they are converting the actual tax on sales to an approximation of income spent&#8230; it&#8217;s &#8220;fuzzy math&#8221; to say the least).</p>
<p>Anyway, Huck&#8217;s support of both is like saying, &#8220;I promise to continue to keep our military fighting in Iraq.  I also promise to completely redeploy the military to the moon.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a tool.</p>
<p>BTW, The &#8220;bad reporter&#8221; pic is absolutely priceless!!</p>
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