President Obama Cannot Possibly be a Christian

It's a good thing we don't have one, then

I pulled this title directly from a post at Rightly Concerned, a blog published by the American Fundie Association. I’m so glad there is an organization that officially decrees what religion people are allowed to be.

I wonder if there is an application form I have to fill out? Maybe it’s like Candid Camera. All I have to do is go about my normal day, and sometime, somewhere, when I least expect it, Alan Fundie jumps out and says “Smile! You’re a Muslim!”

The article is written by some guy named Bryan Fischer. Let’s have a look:

Someone who calls himself a “Christian” must, at a bare minimum, have some allegiance to the teachings of Christ.

I agree completely. For example, let’s consider the matter of medical waste. What if that waste could be used to find cures for painful, debilitating, or terminal diseases? It would be immoral to insist on throwing that material away, wouldn’t it? Somebody who advocated allowing millions of people to suffer instead of trying to cure their affliction could not possibly be a Christian.

I just knocked the ground out from under Bryan Fischer. The rest of his article is completely discredited on this fact alone. Let’s skim through the rest of it, though, just to see what his point was.

He said something, in his own autobiography, The Audacity of Hope, that makes it impossible for us to think of him as a Christian. He may call himself one, but just because I call myself a 1963 Jaguar XKE doesn’t make me a car.

Or just because you call yourself intelligent…

In a telling excerpt from his memoir, he writes about being asked by his daughter a question regarding what happens when we die.

Here, in our pseudo-Christian president’s own words, is his answer to the question of the ages: “I wondered whether I should have told her the truth, that I wasn’t sure what happens when we die, any more than I was sure of where the soul resides or what existed before the Big Bang.”

OK, Fischer, what’s your problem with that answer?

This is an answer that no Christian could possibly give.

Because it’s honest?

It’s an answer that could only be given by someone who does not believe in Christ, his mission, and his teaching. It’s an answer an agnostic could give, an answer an atheist could give, or an answer a spiritual inquirer could give.

Actually, atheists don’t believe in souls, so no, they couldn’t give that answer either. If Christians and atheists are incapable of giving that answer, then Christians and atheists must believe the same thing. Atheists don’t believe in God, so ergo, ipso facto, Q.E.D., Christians don’t believe in God!

It’s even an answer a Muslim could give since a Muslim can’t know he’s going to paradise unless he blows up some infidels.

Likewise, some Christians can’t know unless they shoot an abortion doctor.

Now we can’t be sure exactly what Mr. Obama meant when he confessed ignorance regarding “what existed before the Big Bang,” but the Scripture leaves no doubt on that score: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”(Genesis 1:1).

That same book tells us that the Earth is flat and that day and night existed before the sun was created. Are you sure you want to be using that as a reference?

Is President Obama a Christian? Nope.

If Bryan Fischer is a typical member of that club, I can only hope that Obama isn’t a Christian.

34 Responses to “President Obama Cannot Possibly be a Christian”

  1. Lynn Says:

    re: ” some guy named Bryan Fischer”

    I knew his name sounded familiar, so I googled him — and remembered. You may remember the story, too.

    Following the death of SeaWorld trainer Dawn Brancheau, Fischer reasoned that according to Exodus, Tilikum should have been stoned years earlier when it first showed aggression. If biblical law had been followed, Tilikum would have been put to death and the trainer would still be alive.

    http://tinyurl.com/3aajkqu

  2. Aegis Says:

    Man’s a fool. You just *try* to stone a whale, see how successful you are.

  3. Jeff Says:

    Man’s a fool.

    This is more than just foolishness; this level of stupidity is indicative of brain damage.

    The comments are more frightening than the article (although, to be fair, some are moderate). I’ve argued here before for compulsory intelligence testing as a prerequisite for voting. I didn’t go far enough; I now think we need it as a prerequisite for life. This isn’t mere stupidity; these people are developmentally challenged – in other words, mentally retarded. It’s time they were treated as such – special schools, chaperones, safety helmets, the whole nine yards. They need to be assigned the status of wards of the state. They really can’t manage their own affairs; it would be an act of Christian charity to save them from the necessity of having to do so.

    “Yes, Bubba, that’s right – President Obama’s a Muslim! Now finish your ice cream.”

  4. L.Long Says:

    Xtians are perfectly capable of using metaphor when it suits them. The ‘stones’ were metaphor for killing it. So use 30-06′s ,,, ops—the MythBusters clearly show that a gun will not kill a whale either as the bullet will shatter when hitting the water. I yes the xtians should use knives and jump into the pool and cut it to pieces. I can see Bryan now….”Keep those Xtians coming , soon one will be lucky and get the whale, just keep coming.”

  5. sue blue Says:

    You know what really gets me about these people? Its the complete lack of embarrassment or shame about being seen as stupid. I mean, the term “retard” used to be an insult, but these people ride the short bus with pride and compete with each other over who can shout the loudest incoherent crap out the bus window, wave around the biggest misspelled signs, and who can spray the most saliva over their slack-jawed, drooling admirers while they rant and rave and weep. Yep, they’re loud and they’re proud! If there really was a God, he’d have to be cringing with humiliation over these fine products of his.

  6. Jeff Says:

    Absolutely. There’s always been an undercurrent of mistrust of intellectuals in this country, but there were also simple, uneducated people who realized their limitations and would sit in the back of the room, keeping their mouths shut and paying attention, hoping to learn something. Now, every slack-jawed yokel thinks he understands more about the nature of reality than all of them science fellers put together, with all of their fancy book learnin’. Scientists have their edgy-cashuns; they’ve got the BIBLE (along with their pastors to tell them what it says, so they don’t actually have to read it)!

    Thanks a lot, Ron Reagan. Hee fucking haw.

  7. Jeff Says:

    Video from Hitchens’ article about the Beck rally in Slate:

    http://www.slatev.com/video/becks-followers-speak-out/

    There was a sci-fi or futurist novel – was it 1984? – in which embryos were treated with chemicals that limited their brain development, so they’d be fit only for menial labor. I’m wondering now if it’s actually been going on all these years.

  8. Brian Says:

    I didn’t peruse much of the coverage of Saturday’s Beckapalooza, other than the snippets mentioning how religiously-oriented it was. I’m glad, because if I had paid more attention I’d probably be packing the family up for a move to Sweden.

    I try not to underestimate the abilities of truly stupid people to impose their will on the country, but I’m still left wondering: just how possible is it that these insane bastards will one day get their way, and how far-reaching will it be? Yes, this country loves Jesus, but it also likes beer and porn. I wonder how well those bans will fly when the dominionists are in charge. I know I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut at times, so I’ll probably be burned at the stake for heresy, blasphemy and apostasy. Oh, well, I’d rather die for intellectual honesty than live a life of moral cowardice.

  9. sue blue Says:

    Beck. That quivering mass of pus-colored jelly. It galls me every day that that tinfoil-hat-wearing nuthouse escapee was born in my state. If five people thought he had something worthwhile to say it would be bad enough, but that thousands would attend a rally to sway like loonies to the rantings of an unmedicated schizophrenic is sickening. This is either the most colossal failure of our mental health system yet, the result of decades of Walmart-fueled trailer-trash inbreeding and overbreeding, or the blatant effects of religious brainwashing…or maybe all three.

  10. Parrotlover77 Says:

    …but there were also simple, uneducated people who realized their limitations and would sit in the back of the room, keeping their mouths shut and paying attention, hoping to learn something.

    When was this? The history of this country (and, honestly, most areas of the world) does not support this claim. Stupid people have always been loud and proud. Really, I think it’s entirely possible that there are less stupid people now than at any time previous in this country’s history. I know that sounds impossible and I sound crazy for asserting that after Glenn Beck’s Moron Mecca Mania this weekend, but before jumping to conclusions too fast, consider this.

    We are highly connected at this moment in time. So much more so than any time in history. The sheer quantity of stupidity you run into personally is at an all time high. But does that necessarily mean the proportion of Beckinites is greater than their historical equivelence? Or does it just mean it’s easier to find them and they are louder?

    The media in this country is absolutely embarrassing. If you only watched the teevee news pundits, you would think that only crazy people exist on this planet. There are plenty, but more so than every in history? I’m doubtful.

    I guess I’m just an optimist at heart. But, also, I don’t want hyperbole to make “our side” reach the epistemic closure that the fundie side reached long ago.

    So, in conclusion, lots of stupid, yes. Worse than evah before? Not so sure. Bad enough that we need to work to improve things? Yes, yes, hell yes!

    …but that thousands would attend a rally to sway like loonies to the rantings of an unmedicated schizophrenic is sickening.

    Heard that on a good day at The Mall, some 60,000 people might pass by. If you take the official count of about 90,000, that means that Beck has net 30,000 more than an average day. Now, considering how many of these people were bused in, that’s not too great. Compare this to the inauguration of President Obama, for some perspective.

  11. Jeff Says:

    When was this?

    Oh, you know – back in the olden days. When we were growing up.

    Stupid people, as a whole, used to be more civil, I think – even during the heyday of the Civil Rights movement. They tended to stay in their own backyards, and had less of an attitude of entitlement – ’til Reagan & Co. got ‘em all riled up.

    I guess I’m just an optimist at heart.

    Yes, and it’s goddamned annoying!

  12. sue blue Says:

    Ignorance (willful and otherwise) has always been with us, but teh stupids have definitely gotten way more in-your-face, thanks to Ronnie and his Moral Majority way back in the bad ol’ 80s, culminating in Chimpy’s 8-year fiasco. For instance, back when I moved into the neighborhood here, there were maybe three local churches, all with modest little signboards out front that simply announced their worship times. Now, twenty years later, there is a church on every damn corner, and I can’t leave my house in any direction without seeing an obnoxious church marquee with some smarmy religious pun or ultimatum on it. Their parking lots are crammed with cars that are plastered with jesus fish and anti-Obama bumperstickers. I’ve posted about this before, but a few miles from here, right after Obama’s election, a machine shop transformed itself into a “Freedom Store” selling such “tools o’ freedom” (seriously, they really put that on their storefront)as guns, ammo, American flags, and bibles. It was all on this huge hand painted sign out front, along with the requisite pickup trucks festooned with ‘truck balls’ in the parking lot. And I live in Washington, a supposed hotbed of liberal progressives.

  13. OtherRob Says:

    @Jeff, #7

    There was a sci-fi or futurist novel – was it 1984? – in which embryos were treated with chemicals that limited their brain development, so they’d be fit only for menial labor. I’m wondering now if it’s actually been going on all these years.

    It’s not 1984. It may be Brave New World. I’ve read 1984, but not BNW, though I was thinking just the other day that I need to read it — or more likely — find it on cd to listen to during my commute.

  14. Jeff Says:

    I think it was Brave New World.

  15. Jeff Says:

    PL, sue blue is right; they’re much more “in your face” than they ever were before – certainly in our lifetimes. Her experience in Washington is particularly relevant. We now have the spectacle of teachers in liberal states being afraid to teach evolution for fear of having to deal with the one or two conservative Christian parents who may be lurking.

    The people who’ve been governing this country for the past thirty years have been, increasingly, both stupid and insane. Look at Congress; it’s filled with characters who in previous generations would have been regarded as the town idiots. The driving ethos of the Christian subculture is Dominionism; their explicitly stated goal is to transform first this country, then the world, into an Old Testament theocracy. If the founders could see this, they’d be appalled. This is precisely what they were trying not to establish. Even the European world their parents and grandparents had left behind wasn’t this bad. It had been dominated for centuries by monarchs and wealthy, powerful families who were selfish, megalomaniacal, even evil – but only rarely psychotic.

    I’ll go back to what I always complain about. These people have spent the past three decades voting into office those who share their delusions. These criminals and lunatics are chiefly responsible for the socioeconomic crisis in which we now find ourselves. We aren’t coming back from this, and, as a result of the interconnected nature of the global economy, as we continue to go down, we’ll be taking the rest of the world down with us. The Christians will end up being responsible for the end of civilization – quite possible the end of our species. They’ve turned out to be far more toxic to humanity than the Muslim extremists have yet had the opportunity to be. I think it was Ron who said the other day that the Muslims fundies, as bad as they are, and although they want a theocracy, at least want the world to go on. The Christbots can’t wait for it to end. They think they’ll meet Jesus in the air, then go to heaven and and spend eternity jeering and laughing as the rest of us fry.

    But let’s say you’re right; let’s say it’s always been this way. I certainly don’t see it getting any better. As I type this, I’m watching a program on the History channel about the disappearance of the Anasazi, who predated the Hopi and Navajo in the Southwest. It appears they were the victims of genocide. This is what we are – savages, the products of millions of years of evolution and mammalian politics – but now we have the means to destroy not only cultures, but the entire planet. Humanity is sick, and the tragic irony is that the Christians think they represent the cure, whereas they are, collectively, the most egregious symptom of the disease. They’re just a seething, uncouth mass of stupidity, nutjobbery and ill will.

    This is not going to end well.

  16. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I can concede that they are the loudest and most in-your-face in the last 40 years, but in this country’s history? I mean the Civil War was pretty loud and in your face. The KKK were pretty public and proud when they lynched some innocent non-whitey. The Antiwar and Civil Rights movements with their peaceful marches and sit-ins starkly contrasted with the in-your-face hoses, riots, and rifles.

    Are rants on facebook, old geezers on scooters who want “their country” back, Sarah Palin twitter tweets, stupid Jesus Fish bumper stickers, and annoying church signs more in-your-face than “WHITES ONLY” above bathrooms and water fountains?

    Even the European world their parents and grandparents had left behind wasn’t this bad. It had been dominated for centuries by monarchs and wealthy, powerful families who were selfish, megalomaniacal, even evil – but only rarely psychotic.

    Speaking of hyperbole… Worse than pre-colonial Europe? Really? What we have now is worse than the dark ages?

    This is what we are – savages, the products of millions of years of evolution and mammalian politics – but now we have the means to destroy not only cultures, but the entire planet. Humanity is sick, and the tragic irony is that the Christians think they represent the cure, whereas they are, collectively, the most egregious symptom of the disease. They’re just a seething, uncouth mass of stupidity, nutjobbery and ill will.

    This is not going to end well.

    As usual, you take it an order of magnitude past where I would, but, in general, I do agree that the base of human nature is savage and can lead to sick and twisted individuals. But information, facts, and education have this tendency to temper and even eliminate our more aggressive nature if you start young enough.

    So I haven’t given up yet.

  17. Jeff Says:

    I mean the Civil War was pretty loud and in your face. The KKK were pretty public and proud when they lynched some innocent non-whitey. The Antiwar and Civil Rights movements with their peaceful marches and sit-ins starkly contrasted with the in-your-face hoses, riots, and rifles.

    That’s kinda my point. A) There’s a difference between being stupid and assholic; B) They didn’t really react until it affected them where they lived. As I said, they tended to stay in their own backyards. I don’t mean to compare the horror of slavery with the suppression of evolutionary theory (unless you want to call it intellectual slavery), but the South wasn’t trying to impose the plantation system on the North. These lunatics want creationism to supplant evolution everywhere – and it’s only one example.

    What we have now is worse than the dark ages?

    In some ways, yes, I think so. Neither the monarchs nor the popes had the ability to incinerate the planet – and these people would throw us back to that, in any case.

  18. Brian Says:

    I see your point, PL, and I am encouraged somewhat by the growing apathy for religion by younger generations. To hear some of the faithful warn about it tells me they’re pretty worked up about it.

    On the other hand, it just takes one kook in power to decide to flip a few nukes at the “bad guys” to hasten Armageddon, and then we’re in a world of shit.

    I’ve always thought of our species as a child that is in its teenage years, growing up slowly but still capable of astoundingly stupid mistakes. Perhaps we’ll survive a few more centuries to reach “adulthood”, gaining wisdom that can only come from learning from our mistakes. I just hope we don’t crash the car into a tree along the way.

  19. Parrotlover77 Says:

    …the South wasn’t trying to impose the plantation system on the North. These lunatics want creationism to supplant evolution everywhere – and it’s only one example.

    I’ll admit that’s an interesting point I had not considered. I’m not up on my Civil War history enough to know all the details, but I’m fairly certain that the plantation system as it stood before war broke out was actually a compromise. The original position of the pro-slave trade was slavery all over the country, I believe. At the time war broke out, they may have conceded to a more “leave our states alone” position, but that was only after their positions did not win on the full national stage, right? I would love for somebody with more Civil War knowledge set me straight on this, as I had not thought through those parallels.

    But back to the teaching of science in science classes versus religion. This is entirely not new. It’s just the modern version of the Scopes Monkey Trial and everything surrounding it. I think we are definitely on the defensive again, but I just don’t see it ever getting back to how it was back in 1925.

    On the other hand, it just takes one kook in power to decide to flip a few nukes at the “bad guys” to hasten Armageddon, and then we’re in a world of shit.

    Yes, but the consequences of such action are grave for the person initiating it, which is apparently a good enough deterrent so far. Let’s hope it stays that way.

    I’ve always thought of our species as a child that is in its teenage years, growing up slowly but still capable of astoundingly stupid mistakes. Perhaps we’ll survive a few more centuries to reach “adulthood”, gaining wisdom that can only come from learning from our mistakes. I just hope we don’t crash the car into a tree along the way.

    Word.

  20. Jeff Says:

    I think we are definitely on the defensive again, but I just don’t see it ever getting back to how it was back in 1925.

    But that’s just it; the good folks in Tennessee weren’t trying to prohibit the teaching of evolution in Massachusetts – they just wanted to be left alone. And, they won – but they were so humiliated nationally that they disavowed politics and retreated to the margins of society for the next five decades.

    Now, of course, it’s completely different. They’ve all been infected with the Dominionist meme; they want a theocracy everywhere. They’ll probably want to take away your parrots, PL – a bird that talks is an affront to God. It’s in a state of rebellion against its creator by trying to usurp man’s place!

  21. Syldoran Says:

    I see your point, PL, and I am encouraged somewhat by the growing apathy for religion by younger generations.

    But there’s still not enough apathy; there will be enough apathy when Jesus’ minions stop approaching my table at lunch and handing out “Jesus loves you” cards in that hallway leading to the gym that’s so narrow that I can’t avoid them.

  22. Jeff Says:

    Here, look at this:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking

    Hawking has just written a new book, in which he continues his argument that our understanding of physics renders God unnecessary or redundant. Well, the Christbots are out in full force. There are over 40,000 comments at this point on that one article. Peruse the first few pages; most are from Christians telling him he’s going to burn in hell – all, of course, with the requisite abominable spelling and grammar, along with EVERYTHING IN CAPS.

    PL, I don’t want you to be as despondent as I am, but at the same time, how anyone can look at humanity and not feel despair is beyond me. I’m convinced that we’re just about done.

    Better start teaching those birds to fend for themselves.

  23. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Now, of course, it’s completely different. They’ve all been infected with the Dominionist meme; they want a theocracy everywhere

    I just don’t think so. There is a lot of tea bagger noise, but so far, they have been pretty ineffective, except the fear they strike in liberals’ hearts.

    That’s not to say there aren’t battlegrounds, but let’s take gay marriage for example. Four years ago, it seemed it might be happening and then spread all over the country, then Prop 8 got shot down and everybody got on the defensive. Public opinion polls were thrown around by the media saying nobody wants this. But what about now? Now public opinion is back on the side of civil rights. Prop 8 is overturned. We’re on the offensive again.

    I guess my point is that it’s not uniformly doom and gloom (at least to me). There are victories. And progress always happens in waves where you go to a certain point, then go back, then go forward again. It’s just human nature. We’re finicky. We want progress, then we get scared because things are different, then we realize it’s okay and want more progress.

    I say, bring it on! Just try to keep pushing the bible back in schools. Just try to get evolution pulled out of the schools. I don’t think it will work long term. I think it creates backlash. It’s unfortunate that kids are caught in the crossfire, but I don’t think kids are dumb enough to fall for this crap. They might be put at a disadvantage by not learning the mechanics of evolution (for example) earlier in school, but with the intertubez, they will know and they will figure it out. And that’s why I’m optimistic.

    They’ll probably want to take away your parrots, PL – a bird that talks is an affront to God. It’s in a state of rebellion against its creator by trying to usurp man’s place!

    True! But it’s just a short time before the avian takeover, so it probably doesn’t matter.

    But there’s still not enough apathy; there will be enough apathy when Jesus’ minions stop approaching my table at lunch and handing out “Jesus loves you” cards in that hallway leading to the gym that’s so narrow that I can’t avoid them.

    Yes, the decreasing amount that are left are getting louder and more in your face. How long before they start organized violent acts of terrorism (as opposed to independent wackos)? That’s what I want to know.

    Hawking has just written a new book, in which he continues his argument that our understanding of physics renders God unnecessary or redundant. Well, the Christbots are out in full force. There are over 40,000 comments at this point on that one article. Peruse the first few pages; most are from Christians telling him he’s going to burn in hell – all, of course, with the requisite abominable spelling and grammar, along with EVERYTHING IN CAPS.

    PL, I don’t want you to be as despondent as I am, but at the same time, how anyone can look at humanity and not feel despair is beyond me. I’m convinced that we’re just about done.

    The problem with internet comments is how easy it is to make it look like something is a big deal when it’s not. First, Hawking (love him!) wrote a magnet for those types of people/comments. A book on the irrelevance of a creator deity! Fucking Magnets? I’ll tell you how they work. Morons flock to what is basically old skool trolling by book! You go, Hawking!

    I would be surprised if there weren’t a million negative posts. Dog bites man.

  24. Jeff Says:

    The problem with internet comments is how easy it is to make it look like something is a big deal when it’s not.

    I think 40,000 morons commenting on one article in 24 hours is a big deal. It’s a bigger sampling than many legitimate surveys and studies get – and every particle of my experience of the past 53 years tells me it’s representative.

    Christian Dominionism/Reconstructionism is not a Teabagger issue. The two biggest influences upon the conservative Christian subculture as a whole are Calvinism and Dominionism, even upon those who wouldn’t necessarily identify either as Calvinists or as Dominionists. This is indisputable at this point; it’s just the way it is.

    You manifest an optimism that I can’t get anywhere near. On the one hand, as I say, I don’t want you to be as depressed as I am. On the other – I think it’s entirely unwarranted.

    Meanwhile, I, for one, welcome our future avian overlords!

  25. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I think 40,000 morons commenting on one article in 24 hours is a big deal. It’s a bigger sampling than many legitimate surveys and studies get – and every particle of my experience of the past 53 years tells me it’s representative.

    Have you ever read P.Z. Myer’s blog? He’s an atheist biologist and a cool guy. One of the “memes” on his blog is poll crashing. Basically, any time any online poll pops up asking viewers to chime in on some theological vs science topic, P.Z. posts about it. In less than 24 hours you’ll see the poll go from like 1500 religious vs 300 atheist to 2000 religious vs 50,000 atheist.

    Forums require a bit more effort than just clicking a link, but the principle is the same.

    It would only take a few email, twitter, or blog notices from a few high visibility fundies to absolutely thrash the article on Hawking. Plus, at least some significant percentage of those 40,000 you mention have to be pro-reason because P.Z. posted about it already. :-D

    Christian Dominionism/Reconstructionism is not a Teabagger issue. The two biggest influences upon the conservative Christian subculture as a whole are Calvinism and Dominionism, even upon those who wouldn’t necessarily identify either as Calvinists or as Dominionists. This is indisputable at this point; it’s just the way it is.

    I won’t dispute that at all. But there are degrees with which people act upon their beliefs, and also degrees with which the “flock” believes and acts due to what their preacher says. What I said about teabaggers only tangentially applies to what you are stating, my mistake, but there is a lot of crossover. In addition, gay marriage is most definitely a fundie issue, and they are losing it. I can’t remember the exact numbers, but those under 30 overwhelmingly support gay marriage. It’s the old farts that don’t want it.

    You manifest an optimism that I can’t get anywhere near. On the one hand, as I say, I don’t want you to be as depressed as I am. On the other – I think it’s entirely unwarranted.

    Meanwhile, I, for one, welcome our future avian overlords!

    I will ask them to name you Pessimist in Chief in the new regime.

  26. Jeff Says:

    Yes, I know PZ. I did a guest post for him as well, about a year ago. A couple of months later, some of his regulars hounded me off for saying the same sort of things I say here – fundies shouldn’t be voting, we need to breed them out of the genome, etc.

    Anyway, poll-crashing isn’t the same as leaving comments saying, “One day you’ll stand before the Lord Jesus Christ… ” (They always have us standing, like he’s short of chairs, or something.)

    But there are degrees with which people act upon their beliefs, and also degrees with which the “flock” believes and acts due to what their preacher says.

    Yeah – and they’re all acting on it. And the under-30 evangelicals are only liberal about environmental issues. Most are still against gay marriage.

    They are a force of nature. They will never stop.

  27. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Anyway, poll-crashing isn’t the same as leaving comments saying, “One day you’ll stand before the Lord Jesus Christ… ” (They always have us standing, like he’s short of chairs, or something.)

    I disagree. Poll crashing, Amazon.com rating wars, drive-by posters — it’s all the same. Those don’t impress me.

    Yeah – and they’re all acting on it. And the under-30 evangelicals are only liberal about environmental issues. Most are still against gay marriage.

    The under 30 evangelicals are scared because they see that so many of their peers don’t give a crap about them.

  28. sue blue Says:

    Who was it that said, “I laugh so that I may not weep”?

    I don’t know much about national trends other than what data I see on various websites, blogs, etc., but I know what’s happened in my neighborhood, town, and state, and it ain’t good. It’s not just an academic problem either. I’ve got neighbors who’d just as soon shoot an atheist as look at one, and who reinforce their views with frequent copper-jacketed leadfests in the woods behind their house. Sometimes it sounds like a war zone out here, and I’m within range. It’s scary when you realize that people you’ve lived next to for over twenty years and who you thought were your friends are really fundie nutjobs whose sworn objective is to outlaw abortion, enforce heterosexuality, banish those with skin tints deeper than beige, and uphold the privileges of their rich white corporate Republican overlords. It gets fucking terrifying when they want to do it in the name of God, at gunpoint.

  29. Jeff Says:

    And that’s in Washington. Can you imagine what it’s like in Alabama?

  30. ericsan Says:

    Sounds like a lovely place you live in Sue Blue… I can hear the banjos!

  31. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Yikes. Glad I don’t live in a place like that. I have fundie relatives, but they aren’t that bad. In fact, they are pretty well anti-gun, so I guess I’m lucky.

  32. sue blue Says:

    Banjos…and don’t bend over in the woods! Seriously, they really do have target practice every day. They aren’t your image of ignorant redneck white trash trailer-dwellers, though. They are all gainfully employed, have a nice old bungalow and a thriving horse-boarding business on a twelve-acre parcel out here in our rural paradise filled with million-dollar homes on acreage. That’s what so scary. They used to seem like reasonable, nice, upper-middle-class folks. The only hints to the contrary were the occasional veiled racist comments, which didn’t come up often because the region is predominantly white and we don’t have immigration issues here (Canadians aren’t exactly busting down the gates at the border crossings – and they aren’t brown). Then, about when Bush ran for his first term, they got involved with a fundie Lutheran church in town and the whole family started reading books by Tim LaHey, Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, and so on. They cheered on the Iraq war (though not one of them enlisted). A surprising number of our neighbors gravitated toward this family – mostly because, as older, upper-middle class whites, they tend to be Republican – and there you have it. An enclave of surreal craziness behind absolutely normal-looking walls.

  33. ericsan Says:

    Forgive me for the off-topic post, but please everybody add a link to http://www.spreadingsantorum.com
    Good for a quick laugh and it apparently pisses off Rick Santorum to no end. Dan Savage has kindly offered to take the site down if Santorum makes a $5M donation to a marriage equality foundation :)

  34. Coty T. Says:

    This might explain why the funides are so stupid to believe some of the things they do:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/