This is Why, STOOPID!

Jesus died for our flag

I received an email from the “Family” Research Council (and “Family” is probably an accurate description). The email states:

When the North Carolina legislature asked Ron Baity to serve as a guest chaplain at the state house, the pastor of Berean Baptist Church said it was an honor. What he didn’t know was how short-lived that honor would be!

Short-lived? It shouldn’t have lived at all! A legislature has no business establishing a state religion, which is exactly what they are doing every time they open their session with a prayer.

During the last week of May, when Pastor Baity was scheduled to open the session in prayer, a House clerk asked to first review the text.

Well that sounds a little ominous. Why would a government bureaucrat need an advance look at the text of the prayer?

When she noticed the last line, she said, “We would prefer that you not use the name of Jesus. We have some people here that can be offended.”

It doesn’t matter to me whether Jesus is mentioned or not. I’m offended that it mentions God. So what this bureaucrat is telling us is that the state of North Carolina only worries about offending one branch or another of the Abrahamic religions. They all pray to the same god, so as long as we only talk about him, it’s OK.

Well what about non-Yahwehans? I guess the Constitution doesn’t protect Hindus, Jains, and Wiccans. They’re also ignoring the non-religious completely. After all, there are only 34 million of those in America (a mere rounding error!).

But it was Pastor Baity who was most offended.

No. It’s the scores of millions of Constitution-lovers who are the most offended.

When the clerk raised the issue with House Speaker Joe Hackney,[…] Hackney decided that the pastor could offer his prayer—but that it would be his last one. After that, Baity’s services would “no longer be needed.”

Wrong tense. Try “never were”!

But I think Baity is about to have a revelation:

A stunned Baity told Fox News Radio, “When the state tells you how to pray, that you cannot use the name of Jesus—that’s mandating a state religion. They talk about not offending other people but at the same time, if they are telling me how to pray—that’s the very thing our forefathers left England for.”

Now you get it, moron! That is why you keep religion out of government! It isn’t just so “a few people won’t be offended”. It isn’t even because mixing one religion with government imposes that religion on people of other faiths. It’s because the contamination goes both ways! The taint of religion ruins government, and the taint of government ruins religion!

Now get your taint out of my face. I’m tired of smelling it.

18 Responses to “This is Why, STOOPID!”

  1. Brian Says:

    The taint of religion ruins government, and the taint of government ruins religion!

    While the point is taken, Ron, I’d also argue that religion is already a ruined endeavor.

    Hypocrisy is something most religious people are only dimly aware of, if at all, when they themselves are guilty of it. They’re so busy being “persecuted” that they ignore the obvious contradiction. I have no doubt that Speaker Baity thinks it’s just dandy to infect governmental affairs with Christianity, while simultaneously objecting to any Muslim, Hindu or Pastafarian influences.

    Some Christians actually wonder why I reject their religion. Is it really that hard to understand?

  2. alex a Says:

    Hm. When fundies insert their prayers into government meetings, that’s not mandating state religion. When government disagrees or tries to limit their zeal, it is. WTF? Is it opposite day again?

  3. Jeff Says:

    No, alex, you woke up in Bizarro world this morning. Superman just robbed a bank. Lex Luthor stopped him.

  4. Taz Says:

    I’m sure all those objecting to this outrageous government intrusion would have no problem with a Muslim cleric offering a prayer that mention “Allah, and Mohamed his prophet”.

  5. Jeff Says:

    Isn’t there a Godwin-like rule by now applying to Christians pulling the “Muslim” card?

  6. Rob Says:

    Handy Founder quote of the day:

    “[A]n amendment was proposed by inserting ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”
    -Jefferson

    Hey, they even valued the freedom of infidels back then! I recommend every free thinker have an arsenal of founder quotes. Apart from quoting the Bible (the parts they ignore, mostly), it’s the best way to get through to a fundie.

  7. Jeff Says:

    Apart from quoting the Bible (the parts they ignore, mostly), it’s the best way to get through to a fundie.

    Nah – they just deny the legitimacy of the quote, and when you prove it to them, they fall back on, “He wasn’t a REAL Founding
    Father!”

  8. Rob Says:

    Yeah, I started to add a caveat. Backing up your argument with someone they instinctually want to trust has helped me.

    It’s generally not getting through to them because they just know that it’s got to be wrong somehow, but it does often have a stupefying effect. It’s something they don’t know how to respond to at all if they’ve never been exposed to it. And usually, if I’m referring to the Bible, I try to find lengthy quotes in context so there isn’t as much wiggle room.

    Numbers 5 is a fun one- particularly if you refer them to a translation that uses the more obvious word ‘uterus’ instead of the euphemism ‘loin’ or ‘thigh’.

  9. Jeff Says:

    It’s generally not getting through to them because they just know that it’s got to be wrong somehow, but it does often have a stupefying effect.

    Yeah, I see your point.

  10. Joker Says:

    I would also take issue with an Islamic Priest performing a prayer to open a meeting for the government, just as I would a Taoist ceremony, Hindu prayer or anything similar because religion is meant to be kept separate from state. You can’t have freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion.

  11. Parrotlover77 Says:

    I’m embarrassed right now to live in NC. Still, in NC’s (very weak) defense, this is NOT unique to NC. In fact, I’d go so far as to say even the most liberal state in the Union wishes for invisible sky wizardry before many (most?) meetings and sessions.

    That said, at least the P.C. Police are shining light onto why it shouldn’t happen in the first place!

    Think of all the tax dollars we could save if we didn’t waste state working hours thinking magical pixie thoughts before ever meeting/session. Over the course of the year, it must be many hours!!

  12. S. Says:

    yeah,our state does dumb things sometimes.still,I’m thankful we are a blue state,nonetheless.it helps.
    that said,I don’t see why he couldn’t have just shut up and did the prayer as requested.in order to be fair to everyone,if it might offend someone,then the big deal is….? this was a meeting for everyone,right? not church.he is still free to do what he wants there.
    I would think that given his limited viewpoint,he should still have been happy to do it.it’s not like anyone was asking him to insert the name of allah,budda, or anyone else.

  13. Pete Moulton Says:

    Hey, S.! How come you left out the FSM? Now I’m feeling oppressed.

  14. Parrotlover77 Says:

    S – Do you think we’ll get rid of Sen. Burr this winter? I’m praying we do (yuk yuk yuk).

  15. S. Says:

    OK Pete…LOL! ..and I’ll even insert the Jelly Monster too, if you wish :)

  16. S. Says:

    I dunno,but it would be nice to get rid of him,Kay and Foxx as well,IMO.

  17. Rebecca Says:

    Every time I come across an organization with the word ‘Family’ in it’s title, I just substitute it with ‘Patriarchy’.

  18. Troy Says:

    A quick thought experiment would do wonders for christians and other religions that wish the state to advertise for their deity. Simply revise “God” with “Satan” in whatever church-state item you are dealing with. For example instead of “In God We Trust” change it to “In Satan We Trust”. Obviously, most christians would take offense. If the state can endorse your religion it can eventually endorse the opposite religion. In the case here it was watered down religion and even the christians don’t want that.