Comments on: Robertson and the Holiday Tree http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree Keeping the Radical Right at Bay Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:48:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Milo Johnson http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9972 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:54:08 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9972 One thing for sure, the dude is right. He's the biggest tosser I've ever seen... One thing for sure, the dude is right. He’s the biggest tosser I’ve ever seen…

]]> by: Brian http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9357 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:02:14 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9357 ParrotLover, How true. Isn't it strange how these people can be so absolutely certain their crazy-ass beliefs are true, yet get so insecure whenever someone dares to doubt them? That, in a nutshell, is your "War on Christmas". ParrotLover,

How true. Isn’t it strange how these people can be so absolutely certain their crazy-ass beliefs are true, yet get so insecure whenever someone dares to doubt them? That, in a nutshell, is your “War on Christmas”.

]]> by: ParrotLover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9356 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:59:16 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9356 A pastafarian christmas? Most excellent...! Ramen! There are so many aspects of Christmas that are non-Christian, that I love celebrating it too. With the exception of some of the common carols, you have to strain to find religious references to it in the average household. Tree? Check. Wreath? Check. Presents? Check. Cookies for Santa? Check. Egg nog? Check. Lights? Check. Ornaments? Check. Stockings? Check. Snow globe? Check. Nativity scene from in-laws boxed up in the garage? Check. ;-) It's really the fundies that ruin Christmas by trying so very, very hard to make everybody feel bad for enjoying a secular solstice celebration. A pastafarian christmas? Most excellent…! Ramen!

There are so many aspects of Christmas that are non-Christian, that I love celebrating it too. With the exception of some of the common carols, you have to strain to find religious references to it in the average household.

Tree? Check.
Wreath? Check.
Presents? Check.
Cookies for Santa? Check.
Egg nog? Check.
Lights? Check.
Ornaments? Check.
Stockings? Check.
Snow globe? Check.
Nativity scene from in-laws boxed up in the garage? Check. ;-)

It’s really the fundies that ruin Christmas by trying so very, very hard to make everybody feel bad for enjoying a secular solstice celebration.

]]> by: Brian http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9333 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:54:50 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9333 As a Lowe's employee, I just can't stay off of this one. With all the unnecessary paranoia about offending Christians, I'm not surprised that a multi-billion dollar business would try to please everybody. My particular store is one of the busiest in our area, and we had that banner up, yet no one complained. I agree with Ron. Its a Christmas tree. And even though I think the "reason for the season" is utter bullshit, we have our tree up, and I'm looking forward to Christmas, mainly because of my kids. As an aside, this year will mark the beginning of a "tradition" for our household. Last year my very Christian in-laws came over Christmas night. They unknowingly paid homage to the Flying Spaghetti Monster by eating my lovely spaghetti dinner and watching "Pirates of the Caribbean" afterwards. We're doing it again this year. BWAAA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!! As a Lowe’s employee, I just can’t stay off of this one. With all the unnecessary paranoia about offending Christians, I’m not surprised that a multi-billion dollar business would try to please everybody. My particular store is one of the busiest in our area, and we had that banner up, yet no one complained.

I agree with Ron. Its a Christmas tree. And even though I think the “reason for the season” is utter bullshit, we have our tree up, and I’m looking forward to Christmas, mainly because of my kids.

As an aside, this year will mark the beginning of a “tradition” for our household. Last year my very Christian in-laws came over Christmas night. They unknowingly paid homage to the Flying Spaghetti Monster by eating my lovely spaghetti dinner and watching “Pirates of the Caribbean” afterwards. We’re doing it again this year. BWAAA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> by: Barbara http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9332 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:09:02 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9332 "When atheists celebrate Christmas with their families they’re giving it the stamp of approval and endorsing the Christian agenda." I disagree, I'm afraid. The one thing I would never do with my children is to indoctrinate them with any religious or non-religious beliefs. That said, we DO celebrate Christmas in a sense--all of the spirit of a warm winter holiday with no pesky religious nonsense. We have a tree ( it's aluminum ) we give out presents, we get together with family and friends and we exchange gifts. We also know that to many of the important people in our lives this holiday has a different meaning than it does to us. Christmas is a very important holiday to children and one of my best memories from when I was a child. I want my kids to remember it as such and to grow up making a choice about their own belief system. If it happens to be a religious one at least I know that while letting them know what I believe, I gave them the choice to make up their own mind. Last thing I want to be is a fundie athiest parent! “When atheists celebrate Christmas with their families they’re giving it the stamp of approval and endorsing the Christian agenda.”
I disagree, I’m afraid. The one thing I would never do with my children is to indoctrinate them with any religious or non-religious beliefs. That said, we DO celebrate Christmas in a sense–all of the spirit of a warm winter holiday with no pesky religious nonsense. We have a tree ( it’s aluminum ) we give out presents, we get together with family and friends and we exchange gifts. We also know that to many of the important people in our lives this holiday has a different meaning than it does to us. Christmas is a very important holiday to children and one of my best memories from when I was a child. I want my kids to remember it as such and to grow up making a choice about their own belief system. If it happens to be a religious one at least I know that while letting them know what I believe, I gave them the choice to make up their own mind. Last thing I want to be is a fundie athiest parent!

]]> by: ericsan http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9327 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:35:13 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9327 I love these people's sense of priorities. In a country gone insane where war is being waged under false pretenses, with an administration making Nixon's look like a bunch of boy scouts, they focus their energy on something so completely, ridiculously mundane? What's actually shocking me is that there is not one negative comment on this fucktard's youtube page. Then again, considering there are 17,000 views and 17 comments, all positive, I'm suspecting that the reaction he's been eliciting is far more negative than he would have us believe. I love these people’s sense of priorities. In a country gone insane where war is being waged under false pretenses, with an administration making Nixon’s look like a bunch of boy scouts, they focus their energy on something so completely, ridiculously mundane? What’s actually shocking me is that there is not one negative comment on this fucktard’s youtube page. Then again, considering there are 17,000 views and 17 comments, all positive, I’m suspecting that the reaction he’s been eliciting is far more negative than he would have us believe.

]]> by: Willo the Wisp http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9321 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:10:42 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9321 Yes, but the point is that unlike all the other "holidays" at this time of year, Christmas alone has this inflated reputation of being "something that everybody does". It's like some kind of Christian hegemonising force. When atheists celebrate Christmas with their families they're giving it the stamp of approval and endorsing the Christian agenda. Yes, but the point is that unlike all the other “holidays” at this time of year, Christmas alone has this inflated reputation of being “something that everybody does”. It’s like some kind of Christian hegemonising force. When atheists celebrate Christmas with their families they’re giving it the stamp of approval and endorsing the Christian agenda.

]]> by: The Watcher http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9310 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:56:44 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9310 No, Parrotlover! Don't you understand? We aren't inclusive! That's PC! And we aren't PC either! It's MY way or the highway! MINE! No, Parrotlover! Don’t you understand? We aren’t inclusive! That’s PC! And we aren’t PC either!

It’s MY way or the highway! MINE!

]]> by: ParrotLover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9308 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:30:34 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9308 I agree with the "Christmas tree" part in that I think it's silly to call it a holiday tree. It is what it is. Now, if the "tree" were a big part of, say, Hanukah AND Christmas, they might have a point in that it's shorter and easier to write in ads. But it's not. It's pretty much only used in the celebration of Christmas. Christmas itself is actually more of a secular than religious holiday. They celebrate it in Japan, afterall. How many Christians are there in Japan these days? Having one day a year where you get together, dress up some trees, drink some egg nog and give/get gifts is a pretty cool thing. Human tribes have always had some sort of year-end party/holiday and Christmas is the main one these days. I don't know anybody (beliver or non) that doesn't celebrate some sort of Christmas. What was my point? Oh yea... I may think Holiday Trees sounds silly, but I think boycotting a store over it (or the lack of Merry Christmas) is just absolutely ass! What happened to our culture of inclusion?! I LIKE "Happy Holidays" as a greeting. It's like so American in a good way. It's saying, brother/sister, I don't care what you believe in or if you don't believe in anything, have a great end of year season celebrating whatever it is you want! Even with your "Holiday Tree" if that's what you like to call it! I agree with the “Christmas tree” part in that I think it’s silly to call it a holiday tree. It is what it is. Now, if the “tree” were a big part of, say, Hanukah AND Christmas, they might have a point in that it’s shorter and easier to write in ads. But it’s not. It’s pretty much only used in the celebration of Christmas. Christmas itself is actually more of a secular than religious holiday. They celebrate it in Japan, afterall. How many Christians are there in Japan these days? Having one day a year where you get together, dress up some trees, drink some egg nog and give/get gifts is a pretty cool thing. Human tribes have always had some sort of year-end party/holiday and Christmas is the main one these days. I don’t know anybody (beliver or non) that doesn’t celebrate some sort of Christmas.

What was my point? Oh yea… I may think Holiday Trees sounds silly, but I think boycotting a store over it (or the lack of Merry Christmas) is just absolutely ass! What happened to our culture of inclusion?!

I LIKE “Happy Holidays” as a greeting. It’s like so American in a good way. It’s saying, brother/sister, I don’t care what you believe in or if you don’t believe in anything, have a great end of year season celebrating whatever it is you want! Even with your “Holiday Tree” if that’s what you like to call it!

]]> by: The Watcher http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9307 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:26:14 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9307 God, what unmitigated arrogance. "Merry Tossmas!" "When was the last time you heard somebody say 'What are you getting your kids for Thanksgiving?'" Well, no, people don't say that. However, they do buy things to prepare for the feast. They also give gifts for Hanukkah, which the fundie seems to have forgotten about. In Spanish culture, they give gifts on January 5th, El Dia de Los Reyes. But the only Spanish people getting those catalogs are probably illegal, so we can ignore them. Then there's the part about how retailers are "offending us!" by using the word "holiday." Yes, they are offending you. The question is "why?" Because your holiday doesn't get to be more important than all the other ones? With that attitude, ask me if I care when you're offended. God, how I hated that video. God, what unmitigated arrogance. “Merry Tossmas!”

“When was the last time you heard somebody say ‘What are you getting your kids for Thanksgiving?’” Well, no, people don’t say that. However, they do buy things to prepare for the feast. They also give gifts for Hanukkah, which the fundie seems to have forgotten about. In Spanish culture, they give gifts on January 5th, El Dia de Los Reyes. But the only Spanish people getting those catalogs are probably illegal, so we can ignore them.

Then there’s the part about how retailers are “offending us!” by using the word “holiday.” Yes, they are offending you. The question is “why?” Because your holiday doesn’t get to be more important than all the other ones? With that attitude, ask me if I care when you’re offended.

God, how I hated that video.

]]> by: Barbara http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9305 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:01:43 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9305 No boxofbirds, they would be too busy trying to deport anyone who wished them a Feliz Navidad. No boxofbirds, they would be too busy trying to deport anyone who wished them a Feliz Navidad.

]]> by: Brett http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9303 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:32:33 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/295/robertson-and-the-holiday-tree#comment-9303 The least that last asshole could do is recycle those damn catalogues. I'm offended. The least that last asshole could do is recycle those damn catalogues.

I’m offended.

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