Comments on: The Christian Right and the ′08 Election http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election Keeping the Radical Right at Bay Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:00:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: ParrotLover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9272 ParrotLover77 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:07:29 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9272 The problem with the Democratic party is that it is not a "left" party, despite what Bill O'Reilly says about the "far left loons." The Democratic Party is largely a centrist, slightly left leaning, corporatist party. I'm with you on the "better of the two evils" although there are select Democrats that I think do great work... Such as Al Gore and John Edwards. What would fix the two party system? Instant run-off voting. Only then can "third" party candidates be given a shot since nobody would have to fear "throwing away" their vote. And only then would you be able to vote with your conscience without handing the presidency over to your last choice. The problem with the Democratic party is that it is not a “left” party, despite what Bill O’Reilly says about the “far left loons.” The Democratic Party is largely a centrist, slightly left leaning, corporatist party. I’m with you on the “better of the two evils” although there are select Democrats that I think do great work… Such as Al Gore and John Edwards.

What would fix the two party system?

Instant run-off voting. Only then can “third” party candidates be given a shot since nobody would have to fear “throwing away” their vote. And only then would you be able to vote with your conscience without handing the presidency over to your last choice.

]]> By: Brian http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9204 Brian Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:47:07 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9204 As much as I would like to see the Republicans divest themselves of their religious nutbase, I would still personally feel that the two party system we have "enjoyed" these oh so many years has outlived its usefulness. I am an independent voter, and while the Democrats mostly reflect my personal views on many issues, I still can't stand them as a group. They typically fail in their own way to stand up for whatever it is they really believe in. Republicans, I must admit, at least had the courage of their convictions, even if what they stood for was the highest form of lunacy. With the least popular president in modern history infesting the White House, one would think the Democratic Congress could muster enough courage to stand up to this incompetent, narcissistic goon. Such is not the case. Both parties are far too beholden to their financial sugardaddies to ever act in the public interest out of principle instead of whenever such action coincides with the wishes of the check-writing lobbyists. As far as Huckabee is concerned, I give him points for at least sounding different from the typical religious zealots we see so often in public life, but he's still a deluded fundie who will do nothing to make this country a better place. Giuliani is nothing more than a thug, and Romney would make Bush look like he knew what he was doing. Hillary Clinton will probably be our next president, and as much as I hate the idea of a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton monopoly on the White House, I have to grudgingly admit that the Republican alternatives are downright frightening. Buckle up, folks. The next four to eight years are going to suck. As much as I would like to see the Republicans divest themselves of their religious nutbase, I would still personally feel that the two party system we have “enjoyed” these oh so many years has outlived its usefulness. I am an independent voter, and while the Democrats mostly reflect my personal views on many issues, I still can’t stand them as a group. They typically fail in their own way to stand up for whatever it is they really believe in. Republicans, I must admit, at least had the courage of their convictions, even if what they stood for was the highest form of lunacy. With the least popular president in modern history infesting the White House, one would think the Democratic Congress could muster enough courage to stand up to this incompetent, narcissistic goon. Such is not the case. Both parties are far too beholden to their financial sugardaddies to ever act in the public interest out of principle instead of whenever such action coincides with the wishes of the check-writing lobbyists.

As far as Huckabee is concerned, I give him points for at least sounding different from the typical religious zealots we see so often in public life, but he’s still a deluded fundie who will do nothing to make this country a better place. Giuliani is nothing more than a thug, and Romney would make Bush look like he knew what he was doing.

Hillary Clinton will probably be our next president, and as much as I hate the idea of a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton monopoly on the White House, I have to grudgingly admit that the Republican alternatives are downright frightening. Buckle up, folks. The next four to eight years are going to suck.

]]> By: ericsan http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9196 ericsan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:44:46 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9196 From your mouth to god's ears! Oh, wait. Nevermind :D From your mouth to god’s ears! Oh, wait. Nevermind :D

]]> By: ParrotLover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9176 ParrotLover77 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:42:29 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9176 ericsan - Where you got dual citizenship? I think, in general, people want to do good, but the minority of controlling elite figures (such as fundie mega-church leaders and mega-wealthy corporations, for example) do everything they can to (as you put it) dumb down the public. Presented with the facts unlaced by propoganda, I think people will do the right thing, even despite supersticious or religious beliefs that may run contrary to the issue. The trick is undumbing people... I hope I am right, but fear you are right. However, in my day to day experience, I run into more and more people who have stopped drinking the kool-aid every day! And many of even the religious I run into still agree that religious tolerance is an important value. They believe in god, but not in theocracy, like fundies. And that is all I ask. ericsan - Where you got dual citizenship?

I think, in general, people want to do good, but the minority of controlling elite figures (such as fundie mega-church leaders and mega-wealthy corporations, for example) do everything they can to (as you put it) dumb down the public. Presented with the facts unlaced by propoganda, I think people will do the right thing, even despite supersticious or religious beliefs that may run contrary to the issue.

The trick is undumbing people… I hope I am right, but fear you are right.

However, in my day to day experience, I run into more and more people who have stopped drinking the kool-aid every day! And many of even the religious I run into still agree that religious tolerance is an important value. They believe in god, but not in theocracy, like fundies. And that is all I ask.

]]> By: ericsan http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9147 ericsan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:40:50 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9147 Keep dreaming ParrotLover. The dumbing down of America has reached such amazing proportions that I doubt we'll ever see it reversed in our lifetime. I mean, people I know and thought were relatively sane have recently told me they were impressed by Romney (okey, I heard that from a mormon), Ron Paul, and even Thompson. If everyday people in urban California can support such candidates, don't tell me we're not doomed. At least I'll be prepared to leave the country permanently in 2008 if my prediction comes true, along with my devalued US$ savings. It's at times like these it feels good to have dual citizenship! Keep dreaming ParrotLover. The dumbing down of America has reached such amazing proportions that I doubt we’ll ever see it reversed in our lifetime. I mean, people I know and thought were relatively sane have recently told me they were impressed by Romney (okey, I heard that from a mormon), Ron Paul, and even Thompson. If everyday people in urban California can support such candidates, don’t tell me we’re not doomed. At least I’ll be prepared to leave the country permanently in 2008 if my prediction comes true, along with my devalued US$ savings. It’s at times like these it feels good to have dual citizenship!

]]> By: ParrotLover77 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9058 ParrotLover77 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:14:32 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9058 Robertson is a businessman selling a fundie product. I've always doubted his "Christianity" as I do many fundies who seem to have no grasp of their own religion, but even for a while now I have doubted his true drinking-the-kool-aid fundiness. I'm not sure he buys the shitpile he's selling. He just seems to only pander to the richies. Other fundies will ocassionally take a break from bashing the poor for being poor to help them because it's around Christmas or something. But not Robertson! Give him money to spread his ministry from his new yacht! Him endorsing Rudy is just further confirmation of that. It could be that he just doesn't want any Democrat, but more likely, he sees Rudy as a strong candidate... as in he will give him the most kickbacks. I, too, look forward to the day the true states-rights Republicans scrape off the fundie-religious mess that has infected their party. I mean I'm liberal, but still it would be good for the country to have a true secular righty debating a true secular lefty. That doesn't mean candidates can't believe in whatever superstition they want. It just means they separate their beliefs from their politics. It's possible. I mean it's 2007 and we're asking candidates in debates about their faith. WTF?!?! What happened to "no religious test?" That's a religious test! Getting the fundies out of politics and pitching to the voters a true righty versus a true lefty (maybe even throw in a socialist, a center, and a liberatarian with instant-run-off voting) would be so incredibly awesome. Deciding elections on real life affecting ISSUES instead of mythology. Robertson is a businessman selling a fundie product. I’ve always doubted his “Christianity” as I do many fundies who seem to have no grasp of their own religion, but even for a while now I have doubted his true drinking-the-kool-aid fundiness. I’m not sure he buys the shitpile he’s selling. He just seems to only pander to the richies. Other fundies will ocassionally take a break from bashing the poor for being poor to help them because it’s around Christmas or something. But not Robertson! Give him money to spread his ministry from his new yacht! Him endorsing Rudy is just further confirmation of that. It could be that he just doesn’t want any Democrat, but more likely, he sees Rudy as a strong candidate… as in he will give him the most kickbacks.

I, too, look forward to the day the true states-rights Republicans scrape off the fundie-religious mess that has infected their party. I mean I’m liberal, but still it would be good for the country to have a true secular righty debating a true secular lefty. That doesn’t mean candidates can’t believe in whatever superstition they want. It just means they separate their beliefs from their politics. It’s possible.

I mean it’s 2007 and we’re asking candidates in debates about their faith. WTF?!?! What happened to “no religious test?” That’s a religious test!

Getting the fundies out of politics and pitching to the voters a true righty versus a true lefty (maybe even throw in a socialist, a center, and a liberatarian with instant-run-off voting) would be so incredibly awesome. Deciding elections on real life affecting ISSUES instead of mythology.

]]> By: Jane http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9049 Jane Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:27:17 +0000 http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/289/the-christian-right-and-the-%e2%80%b208-election#comment-9049 I thought that the fundies already had a political home to go to in the barking mad <a href="http://www.constitutionparty.com/" rel="nofollow">Constitution Party.</a> Read it and wonder at the how their minds work. I thought that the fundies already had a political home to go to in the barking mad Constitution Party. Read it and wonder at the how their minds work.

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