The Christian Right and the ′08 Election

More fiber, Pat!

Pat Robertson taking a dump.

Forum is a local public radio program that is also carried by one of the satellite radios. On November 8, they aired a program called “The Christian Right and the ′08 Election”. I’ve been meaning to bring it to your attention since then, but this is the first chance I’ve had to analyze the program.

The guests were:

  • David D. Kirkpatrick, Washington correspondent for the New York Times
  • Charles Boswell, senior pastor at Immanuel Baptist Church in Wichita, Kansas
  • Matthew Continetti, associate editor of The Weekly Standard
  • Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention and author of The Divided States of America?

You can go to the program description page, where you can download the MP3. Stick it on your iPod and listen when it’s convenient.

I want to discuss a few of my reactions to the program.

Kirkpatrick Interview

Very few of the fundies that I’ve been following like Rudy Giuliani, primarily because of his support for abortion rights. It was surprising to hear Pat Robertson endorse Giuliani.

On this program, David D. Kirkpatrick, Washington correspondent for the New York Times, was asked why. He thinks it’s because some fundies (e.g., James Dobson) have said that they would throw their support behind a third-party candidate if the Republicans nominate Giuliani. Robertson was probably signaling to the fundies that any Republican is preferable to any Democrat. Robertson knows that splitting the conservative vote between Giuliani and a third party is a way to guarantee a Democratic win.

I would love to see the fundies break off and form their own party. Let’s see if they’re stupid enough to do so.

Continetti Interview

Matthew Continetti, of The Weekly Standard, says that the Giuliani campaign knows they won’t get fundies, but they’re expecting to replace those voters with swing voters from states that haven’t voted Republican in recent elections.

I think it would be good for the Republicans to stop sucking up to the fundies. It massively skews the behavior of the party. Is it possible that we might once again see a non-extremist Republican party? That would be something we could live with. I would still be wary of such a party. Even if they don’t rule from the extreme right, they might still be tempted to throw the fundies a bone every time there’s a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

Land Interview

Richard Land, the Baptist, says that historically Baptists didn’t vote Republican. They’ve been doing so since 1980, when the Republicans added an anti-abortion plank to their platform. If the Republicans nominate pro-choice Giuliani, there’s no reason to expect the Baptists to stick with the party.

Land said that one way to keep the fundie vote with a Giuliani candidacy would be if the running mate were Mike Huckabee.

I think that would be a bad thing. Mike Huckabee is an extremist’s extremist. During the Bush 1 regime, we all lived in mortal fear that Bush would become incapacitated, and fundie retard Dan Quayle would have become president. During The Bush 2 regime, we live in mortal fear that Dick Cheney will become president. Must we next live in fear that Giuliani might keel over and allow Mike Huckabee to be run the country?

7 Responses to “The Christian Right and the ′08 Election”

  1. Jane Says:

    I thought that the fundies already had a political home to go to in the barking mad Constitution Party. Read it and wonder at the how their minds work.

  2. ParrotLover77 Says:

    Robertson is a businessman selling a fundie product. I’ve always doubted his “Christianity” as I do many fundies who seem to have no grasp of their own religion, but even for a while now I have doubted his true drinking-the-kool-aid fundiness. I’m not sure he buys the shitpile he’s selling. He just seems to only pander to the richies. Other fundies will ocassionally take a break from bashing the poor for being poor to help them because it’s around Christmas or something. But not Robertson! Give him money to spread his ministry from his new yacht! Him endorsing Rudy is just further confirmation of that. It could be that he just doesn’t want any Democrat, but more likely, he sees Rudy as a strong candidate… as in he will give him the most kickbacks.

    I, too, look forward to the day the true states-rights Republicans scrape off the fundie-religious mess that has infected their party. I mean I’m liberal, but still it would be good for the country to have a true secular righty debating a true secular lefty. That doesn’t mean candidates can’t believe in whatever superstition they want. It just means they separate their beliefs from their politics. It’s possible.

    I mean it’s 2007 and we’re asking candidates in debates about their faith. WTF?!?! What happened to “no religious test?” That’s a religious test!

    Getting the fundies out of politics and pitching to the voters a true righty versus a true lefty (maybe even throw in a socialist, a center, and a liberatarian with instant-run-off voting) would be so incredibly awesome. Deciding elections on real life affecting ISSUES instead of mythology.

  3. ericsan Says:

    Keep dreaming ParrotLover. The dumbing down of America has reached such amazing proportions that I doubt we’ll ever see it reversed in our lifetime. I mean, people I know and thought were relatively sane have recently told me they were impressed by Romney (okey, I heard that from a mormon), Ron Paul, and even Thompson. If everyday people in urban California can support such candidates, don’t tell me we’re not doomed. At least I’ll be prepared to leave the country permanently in 2008 if my prediction comes true, along with my devalued US$ savings. It’s at times like these it feels good to have dual citizenship!

  4. ParrotLover77 Says:

    ericsan – Where you got dual citizenship?

    I think, in general, people want to do good, but the minority of controlling elite figures (such as fundie mega-church leaders and mega-wealthy corporations, for example) do everything they can to (as you put it) dumb down the public. Presented with the facts unlaced by propoganda, I think people will do the right thing, even despite supersticious or religious beliefs that may run contrary to the issue.

    The trick is undumbing people… I hope I am right, but fear you are right.

    However, in my day to day experience, I run into more and more people who have stopped drinking the kool-aid every day! And many of even the religious I run into still agree that religious tolerance is an important value. They believe in god, but not in theocracy, like fundies. And that is all I ask.

  5. ericsan Says:

    From your mouth to god’s ears! Oh, wait. Nevermind 😀

  6. Brian Says:

    As much as I would like to see the Republicans divest themselves of their religious nutbase, I would still personally feel that the two party system we have “enjoyed” these oh so many years has outlived its usefulness. I am an independent voter, and while the Democrats mostly reflect my personal views on many issues, I still can’t stand them as a group. They typically fail in their own way to stand up for whatever it is they really believe in. Republicans, I must admit, at least had the courage of their convictions, even if what they stood for was the highest form of lunacy. With the least popular president in modern history infesting the White House, one would think the Democratic Congress could muster enough courage to stand up to this incompetent, narcissistic goon. Such is not the case. Both parties are far too beholden to their financial sugardaddies to ever act in the public interest out of principle instead of whenever such action coincides with the wishes of the check-writing lobbyists.

    As far as Huckabee is concerned, I give him points for at least sounding different from the typical religious zealots we see so often in public life, but he’s still a deluded fundie who will do nothing to make this country a better place. Giuliani is nothing more than a thug, and Romney would make Bush look like he knew what he was doing.

    Hillary Clinton will probably be our next president, and as much as I hate the idea of a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton monopoly on the White House, I have to grudgingly admit that the Republican alternatives are downright frightening. Buckle up, folks. The next four to eight years are going to suck.

  7. ParrotLover77 Says:

    The problem with the Democratic party is that it is not a “left” party, despite what Bill O’Reilly says about the “far left loons.” The Democratic Party is largely a centrist, slightly left leaning, corporatist party. I’m with you on the “better of the two evils” although there are select Democrats that I think do great work… Such as Al Gore and John Edwards.

    What would fix the two party system?

    Instant run-off voting. Only then can “third” party candidates be given a shot since nobody would have to fear “throwing away” their vote. And only then would you be able to vote with your conscience without handing the presidency over to your last choice.