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		<title>By: Bart v.d. M.</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/256/creation-wiki-and-anticreation/comment-page-1#comment-20200</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart v.d. M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herman, what you&#039;re giving is just a different interpretation of the Bible, different than the interpretation most people go by. There are two problems with it, the first one being that your interpretation is entirely to be presupposed. The strange thing is that it doesn&#039;t say anywhere that Moses dreamed Genesis entirely up, although it does, according to you, refer to this by calling the eras days. Your interpretation seems to me entirely made up to fit the facts and to clear out the contradictions between for instance Genesis 1 and 2.

The second, and biggest, problem with it, and indeed with every religious explanation, is that it is based on tenets. Just because this can explain everything doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s right, neither does it mean it&#039;s remotely probable. Ages ago someone brought these tenets to his people and told them they were true and they reasoned &quot;Why not? I&#039;d better believe because if I don&#039;t and it does seem to be true in the end, I get to burn for an eternity.&quot; Because religion threatens &#039;infidels&#039; and promises happiness to believers, people keep on believing, blinding themselves from evidence (or reasonable interpretations of evidence) because they see the risk  of becoming convinced by it.

By the way, Herman, know that even in the improbable possibility that mankind is indeed more than thirty millions old, the odds of your theory to be true are still incredibly slim. A -&gt; B does not make B -&gt; A.

Ron, I agree with you on almost everything. The only thing I&#039;d like to note is that, while you say there is no scientific debate over evolution, I think there *is* one. As long as there are people who argue with evidence that something is true it is a scientific debate, no matter how invalid their reasoning is. What Creationists overlook though is that there aren&#039;t &quot;two sides of the controverse&quot;, there are millions of sides, but there are only two that get that much publicity in America. Muslims actively argue for their view to be true too, and every other religion will put up an argument when challenged. All of these are sides of the debate, but most of them are more passive and less present in the scientific community.

By the way, I don&#039;t think that Roger Dehart really wanted his students to learn &quot;both sides&quot;, but more like only one side which they&#039;d have accept no matter it takes else they&#039;d have to copy Genesis threehundred times. That&#039;s namely the essence of religion, blackmailing you into believing and worshipping and serving those who tell you to serve them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman, what you&#8217;re giving is just a different interpretation of the Bible, different than the interpretation most people go by. There are two problems with it, the first one being that your interpretation is entirely to be presupposed. The strange thing is that it doesn&#8217;t say anywhere that Moses dreamed Genesis entirely up, although it does, according to you, refer to this by calling the eras days. Your interpretation seems to me entirely made up to fit the facts and to clear out the contradictions between for instance Genesis 1 and 2.</p>
<p>The second, and biggest, problem with it, and indeed with every religious explanation, is that it is based on tenets. Just because this can explain everything doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s right, neither does it mean it&#8217;s remotely probable. Ages ago someone brought these tenets to his people and told them they were true and they reasoned &#8220;Why not? I&#8217;d better believe because if I don&#8217;t and it does seem to be true in the end, I get to burn for an eternity.&#8221; Because religion threatens &#8216;infidels&#8217; and promises happiness to believers, people keep on believing, blinding themselves from evidence (or reasonable interpretations of evidence) because they see the risk  of becoming convinced by it.</p>
<p>By the way, Herman, know that even in the improbable possibility that mankind is indeed more than thirty millions old, the odds of your theory to be true are still incredibly slim. A -&gt; B does not make B -&gt; A.</p>
<p>Ron, I agree with you on almost everything. The only thing I&#8217;d like to note is that, while you say there is no scientific debate over evolution, I think there *is* one. As long as there are people who argue with evidence that something is true it is a scientific debate, no matter how invalid their reasoning is. What Creationists overlook though is that there aren&#8217;t &#8220;two sides of the controverse&#8221;, there are millions of sides, but there are only two that get that much publicity in America. Muslims actively argue for their view to be true too, and every other religion will put up an argument when challenged. All of these are sides of the debate, but most of them are more passive and less present in the scientific community.</p>
<p>By the way, I don&#8217;t think that Roger Dehart really wanted his students to learn &#8220;both sides&#8221;, but more like only one side which they&#8217;d have accept no matter it takes else they&#8217;d have to copy Genesis threehundred times. That&#8217;s namely the essence of religion, blackmailing you into believing and worshipping and serving those who tell you to serve them.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R. "Bob" Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/256/creation-wiki-and-anticreation/comment-page-1#comment-18893</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R. "Bob" Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herman: I somehow doubt that.</description>
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		<title>By: Herman Cummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Scientific Prediction From Genesis

There are no “creation accounts” in Genesis.  The opposing view of evolution is what I call “the Observations of Moses”, which were visions of six days the past, giving to Moses by God, on Mt. Sinai in 1598 BC.  Each day was taken from a different day of the week, each week being the first week from a different geologic age of mankind.

Having said that, I am now making this declaration, so that mankind may know that the words and events written in Genesis is true, and the humanist theories of our origins are false.  I predict that secular science shall soon find, if they have not already, solid evidence of prehistoric mankind, which is earlier than 30 million years in age.  The book “Moses Didn’t Write About Creation!”, states from Genesis that mankind has been in his present likeness for over 60 million years.  Moses wrote about extinction and restoration.

Herman Cummings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Scientific Prediction From Genesis</p>
<p>There are no “creation accounts” in Genesis.  The opposing view of evolution is what I call “the Observations of Moses”, which were visions of six days the past, giving to Moses by God, on Mt. Sinai in 1598 BC.  Each day was taken from a different day of the week, each week being the first week from a different geologic age of mankind.</p>
<p>Having said that, I am now making this declaration, so that mankind may know that the words and events written in Genesis is true, and the humanist theories of our origins are false.  I predict that secular science shall soon find, if they have not already, solid evidence of prehistoric mankind, which is earlier than 30 million years in age.  The book “Moses Didn’t Write About Creation!”, states from Genesis that mankind has been in his present likeness for over 60 million years.  Moses wrote about extinction and restoration.</p>
<p>Herman Cummings</p>
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		<title>By: ericsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, he offers plenty of evidence... that he&#039;s completely insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, he offers plenty of evidence&#8230; that he&#8217;s completely insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herman:

You are no clearer than any other creationist.  You have made some wild claims, but you have no evidence to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman:</p>
<p>You are no clearer than any other creationist.  You have made some wild claims, but you have no evidence to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/256/creation-wiki-and-anticreation/comment-page-1#comment-6965</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearing the Air About Genesis                                                              

No one else, presently walking on this Earth, is an expert on Genesis.  Do not even listen to anyone else trying to expound what Genesis is saying, or what &quot;creationism&quot; is, for they do not understand the text, and are speaking from ignorance. There is no &quot;creation account&quot; in Genesis. There is no such thing as a &quot;creation/evolution&quot; contest. It is &quot;evolution&quot; verses the &quot;Observations of Moses &quot;, given to Moses by God in 1598 BC, in biblical order, as revealed by the Living Word in the Gospels.

The world of theology (and creationism) has never understood Genesis, so of course they would not have told us the truth, since they never did their &quot;homework&quot;.  Each day in Genesis, from Gen. 1:2 thru 2:3 was a 24-hr day , shown to Moses, taken from seven different weeks (1 day from Creation Week, 6 days from 6 restoration weeks), and each week was from a different geologic age.  The seven days conveyed to Moses were not linear.

Genesis chapter two covers about a 200 yr period, starting in about 7200 BC, and has nothing to do with chapter one. There was no &quot;evolution&quot;. There was Creation, followed by extinction, then six periods of restorations, with five more extinction events in between, ending each era of mankind. With the third era of mankind (the second restoration), God &quot;redesigned&quot; mankind to be in His image, after His likeness, in about 64 Million BC.

If you have comments, issues, or questions, direct them to me or read the book &quot;Moses Didn&#039;t Write About Creation!&quot;. Have I made myself clear?

Herman Cummings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearing the Air About Genesis                                                              </p>
<p>No one else, presently walking on this Earth, is an expert on Genesis.  Do not even listen to anyone else trying to expound what Genesis is saying, or what &#8220;creationism&#8221; is, for they do not understand the text, and are speaking from ignorance. There is no &#8220;creation account&#8221; in Genesis. There is no such thing as a &#8220;creation/evolution&#8221; contest. It is &#8220;evolution&#8221; verses the &#8220;Observations of Moses &#8220;, given to Moses by God in 1598 BC, in biblical order, as revealed by the Living Word in the Gospels.</p>
<p>The world of theology (and creationism) has never understood Genesis, so of course they would not have told us the truth, since they never did their &#8220;homework&#8221;.  Each day in Genesis, from Gen. 1:2 thru 2:3 was a 24-hr day , shown to Moses, taken from seven different weeks (1 day from Creation Week, 6 days from 6 restoration weeks), and each week was from a different geologic age.  The seven days conveyed to Moses were not linear.</p>
<p>Genesis chapter two covers about a 200 yr period, starting in about 7200 BC, and has nothing to do with chapter one. There was no &#8220;evolution&#8221;. There was Creation, followed by extinction, then six periods of restorations, with five more extinction events in between, ending each era of mankind. With the third era of mankind (the second restoration), God &#8220;redesigned&#8221; mankind to be in His image, after His likeness, in about 64 Million BC.</p>
<p>If you have comments, issues, or questions, direct them to me or read the book &#8220;Moses Didn&#8217;t Write About Creation!&#8221;. Have I made myself clear?</p>
<p>Herman Cummings</p>
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		<title>By: Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and God then looks into his giant mirror... &quot;what is this beautiful creature staring back at me? -wolf-whistle- Hey there, sexy....&quot;

Why do fundies think God needs to constantly be reassured like a whimpering puppy that he exists, at the expense of real facts? Shouldn&#039;t God be offended that so many medieval-minded cretins keep soiling his name by pushing this &quot;creation&quot; nonsense?

It&#039;s ironic that the one thing people shouldn&#039;t take the Bible as is, um, gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and God then looks into his giant mirror&#8230; &#8220;what is this beautiful creature staring back at me? -wolf-whistle- Hey there, sexy&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do fundies think God needs to constantly be reassured like a whimpering puppy that he exists, at the expense of real facts? Shouldn&#8217;t God be offended that so many medieval-minded cretins keep soiling his name by pushing this &#8220;creation&#8221; nonsense?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the one thing people shouldn&#8217;t take the Bible as is, um, gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s a wiki, can&#039;t anyone edit it? That could be quite fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a wiki, can&#8217;t anyone edit it? That could be quite fun.</p>
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