Pot and kettle, meet tea cup.

Did the creationist that just came here claim that the sun was burning?That made my morning.

And I do not believe that the South Park episode was accurate. It may have gotten some facts right, but the spin placed on it distorted what is actually believed by mormons.

The “spin”, in this case, is how the rest of the world views your cult. Most Mormons I’ve met are good people, but it’s still a cult.

MrsS, had I been drinking a beverage whilst reading your last effort to “educate” us, it surely would have shot out of my nose from the serious laughing fit I’m only now coming down from. If I believed in a god, I would certainly thank it for allowing me the opportunity I once again have to reach out and touch those among us who have clearly not benefitted from a quality education and have instead grown up confined in the mental prison I call religion.

I do not wish to repeat the sound rebuttals to your nutty ideas already expressed by Ron and others here. While they may have an effect on someone not completely tone-deaf to logic and reason, such efforts are clearly wasted on you. You bemoan the fact that we resort to scorn and ridicule when interacting with a person like yourself, but the sad truth is you will pay attention to no other form of communication. And really, when you go through life convinced an invisible, undetectable, inscrutable yet strangely vengeful and petulant ghost made the entire universe less than 10,000 years ago for our benefit alone, how else can we be expected to respond?

You are a grown adult and are therefore responsible for the contents of your mind. It is your right to believe that T-Rex was a herbivore and only turned to eating other creatures after Eve plucked that goddamned apple out of the tree. It is your right to ignore the entire body of scientific knowledge in favor of the insipid myths gifted to us by ignorant desert-dwellers who had to borrow their creation stories from older cultures that curiously existed before the planet was supposedly formed. As a teacher, however, it is not your right to dull the minds of the children trapped in your class with your mythological insults to human intelligence. I can only hope that religion is so ludicrous, so inane, so absolutely bat-shit crazy that it can’t possibly last forever. People like you will no doubt help it maintain the malevolent grip it has on our psyches for centuries to come, and for that, our descendents, if we survive our foolish faiths long enough to produce them, will shake their heads and wonder how in the hell we let the farce go on for as long as we did. I know you think you’re just doing the lord’s work, and people like us will be burning for all eternity (which probably gives you the worst sort of guilty pleasure), but if you want your pathetic fables treated with respect, I recommend you undertake a serious effort to understand the methods and the findings of science before you make an ass of yourself yet again.

According to MrsS, I guess in the year 4000, there won’t be tides anymore since the moon is just flying away from the earth and we’ll have like 30 hour days too. Cool. I wonder where this massive friction comes from? Real scientific evidence points to about 0.005 seconds per year per year deceleration. To get to a “too fast” earth that can fling life off of it in less than 10,000 years is quite a few orders of magnitude different from real evidence.

Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html

Oops, I forgot, by the year 4000 Christians will have been flung already into heaven by the rapture, so earth rotation is not really needed.

I never said we didn’t personally attack.  I said we don’t attack at the beginning.  Once you’ve proven that you’re retarded, then we call a spade a spade.

Please tell us which parts of the Mormon and Scientology episodes of South Park were not factual.  Until you do so, you are merely advertising your bigotry and ignorance.  Also, you say you won’t rely on South Park for your scientific or theological information.  And yet, you do rely on patently wrong creationist textbooks that have absolutely no facts in them whatsoever.  Getting your information from South Park would be a huge step up for you.  You should consider it.

All of your so-called proofs of the age of the Earth are creationist lies that have been debunked. All of your claims about pre-homid fossils are creationist lies that have been debunked. Yes, Piltdown Man was a fraud. So what? It was only seriously considered a real fossil for a few years. After that, it was ignored as irrelevant. Science is self-correcting. The mistakes get removed. Creationism is not self-correcting. The mistakes are perpetuated by retarded liars like yourself.

If you don’t like what I’m saying, then you’d better come up with some real evidence, not the long-debunked wailings of a crybaby religion that was obsoleted centuries ago.

I teach Earth and physical science, and yes, I do have an education degree and a teacher certification.

As for the uniformitarianism mentioned by Ron, here’s some facts: the sun is burning up. That means it used to be bigger. (I’m sure you can follow that logic.) If you expand the sun at the current rate that it is burning up, within a few hundred thousand years, everything on earth would have been scorched. Kind of puts a limit on evolutionists’ thought of billions of years. Another one: the earth is slowing down. If you were to back up time and speed it up according to the rate at which it is currently slowing down, then you have another limit of a few thousand years before the earth would have been spinning so fast that nothing could withstand the winds. Another: the moon is moving away from us. If you move it closer to back up time at the current rate that it is leaving, you again have a limit of a few thousand years before the earth would have been flooded by tides twice a day. I could keep going.

As for your claim that the fossil record shows clear evidence of pre-homo sapien man…Neanderthal Man turned out to be a regular human with a vitamen deficiency that caused him to stoop over. Piltdown Man was a hoax - a guy took a human skull and an ape jawbone, filed them down to fit, and stained them. Nebraska Man was developed from ONLY A TOOTH - which later turned out to belong to a pecarry (pig-like animal). Java Man was pieced together from fossils found miles apart (nevermind the fact that the fossils consisted of a skull cap, three teeth, and part of a thigh bone… not much to go on for a missing link!). Lucy’s thigh was found 1 1/2 miles away from the rest of the skeleton, as well as 200 feet deeper in the rock! So where is this fossil evidence of which you claim?

As for my statement that it is my experience that non-believers resort to personal attacks, I’d like Ron to read through what he wrote again: “However, to claim that non-believers always personally attack is not true. At this blog the general trend is to personally engage the creationist and try to correct his misconceptions. After a number of exchanges back and forth, if the creationist continues to make ignorant and stupid statements that have already been debunked by us in that thread, then we give up. That person is clearly retarded and is no longer worth our time.” You just said you don’t resort to personal attacks, and yet you say that someone who does not agree with you, he is clearly retarded. How is that not a personal attack.

And I still say I will not rely on South Park for my scientific (or theological) information. I don’t care if you think it was one of the most accurate portrayals of those cults (and yes, I do agree with you that both scientology and Mormonism are cults) in the mainstream media. South Park is not meant to be accurate. It was designed to be funny and to mock aspects of our culture. Anything played for laughs is going to stretch the truth.

I’m afraid you are allowing your beliefs to blind you to the facts. The Earth has to be older than 10,000 years. The geological processes that formed the Earth require more time than that. So do the evolutionary forces that created the diversity of life we see today. All, and I do mean all, of the evidence backs this up.

Likewise, your claim about cavemen is false and ignorant. There are many pre-homo species. The fossil record is very clear on this. You are using the standard creationist denialism to claim that they are old or deformed humans.

Your claim that “non-believers always personally attack believers” is not true. Yes, personal attacks do enter into it at times, and different people react differently. However, to claim that non-believers always personally attack is not true. At this blog the general trend is to personally engage the creationist and try to correct his misconceptions. After a number of exchanges back and forth, if the creationist continues to make ignorant and stupid statements that have already been debunked by us in that thread, then we give up. That person is clearly retarded and is no longer worth our time. It is pointless to try to have a rational discussion with somebody who is shown the facts and then refuses to believe them. Inability to comprehend simple facts is the definition of stupid. Whether you fall into this category remains to be seen, but maybe that’s what’s happening to you elsewhere.

We are not lumping all of Christianity into the same boat. This site very specifically makes clear that it targets the extreme end of Christianity. That there’s somewhere upwards of 50 million of them in this country may give you the impression that we’re going after everyone, but we’re not. Just the ones who deny established scientific facts and who try to impose their misconceptions on the rest of us.

Your final crack about South Park shows your ignorance. Once again, you are making a statement based, apparently, on not knowing the facts. The Scientology and Mormon episodes of that series were the most accurate and damning portrayals of those cults ever depicted in the mainstream media.