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		<title>By: K-Fed</title>
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		<dc:creator>K-Fed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Alberta. How embarrassing.

I&#039;d like to think the Royal Tyrell in Drumheller and the fact this received no media coverage is a good sign. Oh. That and the fact this is less a &#039;museum&#039; and more a small house with posters in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Alberta. How embarrassing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think the Royal Tyrell in Drumheller and the fact this received no media coverage is a good sign. Oh. That and the fact this is less a &#8216;museum&#8217; and more a small house with posters in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Harry also more or less threatened me with a very hot place for my lack of belief and intimated he would be glad that I am headed there, which I found to be very Christian of him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course; this is who they are. Nealy all of them have this attitude, to one extent or another.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I intend to keep after him even though he told me not to contact him again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 He&#039;s unreachable. Why would you even bother talking to him? You can&#039;t possibly think you&#039;re going to change his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Harry also more or less threatened me with a very hot place for my lack of belief and intimated he would be glad that I am headed there, which I found to be very Christian of him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course; this is who they are. Nealy all of them have this attitude, to one extent or another.</p>
<blockquote><p>I intend to keep after him even though he told me not to contact him again.</p></blockquote>
<p> He&#8217;s unreachable. Why would you even bother talking to him? You can&#8217;t possibly think you&#8217;re going to change his mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaiser</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/169/big-valley-creation-science-museumthe-video/comment-page-1#comment-38544</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had several phone conversations with Harry Nibourg and also found him to be very aggressive, loud and excitable whenever I tried to reason with him and offer alternative explanations as to why things are as they are.

He refuses to use logic and reason and like all creationists, whenever he is confronted with something for which he has no answer, resorts to the &quot;God did it all&quot; theory!

End of argument.

He accused me of believing that all life was created out of nothing, but when I tried to explain to him that I don&#039;t have the answer as to how life started he made the claim that &quot;God created it&quot;, apparently out of nothing, as nothing is believed to have existed before his creation. He refused to answer me when I challenged him as to how God could then create the universe out of nothing.

Harry also more or less threatened me with a very hot place for my lack of belief and intimated he would be glad that I am headed there, which I found to be very Christian of him.

I intend to keep after him even though he told me not to contact him again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had several phone conversations with Harry Nibourg and also found him to be very aggressive, loud and excitable whenever I tried to reason with him and offer alternative explanations as to why things are as they are.</p>
<p>He refuses to use logic and reason and like all creationists, whenever he is confronted with something for which he has no answer, resorts to the &#8220;God did it all&#8221; theory!</p>
<p>End of argument.</p>
<p>He accused me of believing that all life was created out of nothing, but when I tried to explain to him that I don&#8217;t have the answer as to how life started he made the claim that &#8220;God created it&#8221;, apparently out of nothing, as nothing is believed to have existed before his creation. He refused to answer me when I challenged him as to how God could then create the universe out of nothing.</p>
<p>Harry also more or less threatened me with a very hot place for my lack of belief and intimated he would be glad that I am headed there, which I found to be very Christian of him.</p>
<p>I intend to keep after him even though he told me not to contact him again.</p>
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		<title>By: ParrotLover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParrotLover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundies have a persecution complex.  If they aren&#039;t being persecuted (or perceiving that they are), then they just aren&#039;t happy.

Personally, if I was a fundie, I&#039;d be excited about how science is discovering &quot;how&quot; god created everything.  But they aren&#039;t satisfied unless it&#039;s all just magic and supernatural.

Because we all know how accurate stories passed down for generations by oral tradition, then written down, then translated 100 times will turn out...

Did fundies never play the &quot;telephone&quot; game when they were kids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundies have a persecution complex.  If they aren&#8217;t being persecuted (or perceiving that they are), then they just aren&#8217;t happy.</p>
<p>Personally, if I was a fundie, I&#8217;d be excited about how science is discovering &#8220;how&#8221; god created everything.  But they aren&#8217;t satisfied unless it&#8217;s all just magic and supernatural.</p>
<p>Because we all know how accurate stories passed down for generations by oral tradition, then written down, then translated 100 times will turn out&#8230;</p>
<p>Did fundies never play the &#8220;telephone&#8221; game when they were kids?</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earlier this year I visited this &quot;Creation Science Museum&quot;  with a friend when we found ourselves in Big Valley. I had to pay $5 to get in. When I objected, the owner, Harry, approached us and said &quot;you are atheists, aren&#039;t you?&quot; (we aren&#039;t).

They say that they will be GST exempt soon. Is our tax money paying for something that was put together by the owner because of his fear for the Almighty?  We came to that conclusion after a long debate with Harry, the owner. He said that at least he will go to Heaven, and us? Well, &quot;you wait what happens to you when you die…&quot; he said. Harry is agressive and ready to fight. Harry should know that arguing about religion is denounced in his beloved Bible (Timothy 31?).

He has a big collection of USA published books for free hand-outs. So who is financing this? Are we importing American fundamentalism into Canada under NAFTA?

It needs to be mentioned that this display denouncing evolution is 12 km from the badlands of the spectecular Red Deer River Valley, the biggest &quot;museum&quot; of evolution one can find in the West with its fossils, palaeontology, geology, biology, geography, and anthropology.

The Tyrrell Musem of Palaeontology is 70 km away. Harry said I shouldn&#039;t waste my $10 entrance fee there, because it is a big fake, including the many PhD scientists working there. So my $5 entrance fee to his &quot;museum&quot; was a real good deal!

In the end I asked what he wanted to prove with all these beautiful displays, and he took us to a simple wallhanging that showed that Charles and Diana are directly related to Adam and Eve! (really, ever so scientific!)

The more controversial this issue becomes, the more satisfaction the creationists get out of it. At least they will get to Heaven! And then to think that several of the Republican presidential candidates believe in this God fearing creationism too!  Now that has me worried, especially after seeing the simplistic way of their thinking at the Creation Science Museum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this year I visited this &#8220;Creation Science Museum&#8221;  with a friend when we found ourselves in Big Valley. I had to pay $5 to get in. When I objected, the owner, Harry, approached us and said &#8220;you are atheists, aren&#8217;t you?&#8221; (we aren&#8217;t).</p>
<p>They say that they will be GST exempt soon. Is our tax money paying for something that was put together by the owner because of his fear for the Almighty?  We came to that conclusion after a long debate with Harry, the owner. He said that at least he will go to Heaven, and us? Well, &#8220;you wait what happens to you when you die…&#8221; he said. Harry is agressive and ready to fight. Harry should know that arguing about religion is denounced in his beloved Bible (Timothy 31?).</p>
<p>He has a big collection of USA published books for free hand-outs. So who is financing this? Are we importing American fundamentalism into Canada under NAFTA?</p>
<p>It needs to be mentioned that this display denouncing evolution is 12 km from the badlands of the spectecular Red Deer River Valley, the biggest &#8220;museum&#8221; of evolution one can find in the West with its fossils, palaeontology, geology, biology, geography, and anthropology.</p>
<p>The Tyrrell Musem of Palaeontology is 70 km away. Harry said I shouldn&#8217;t waste my $10 entrance fee there, because it is a big fake, including the many PhD scientists working there. So my $5 entrance fee to his &#8220;museum&#8221; was a real good deal!</p>
<p>In the end I asked what he wanted to prove with all these beautiful displays, and he took us to a simple wallhanging that showed that Charles and Diana are directly related to Adam and Eve! (really, ever so scientific!)</p>
<p>The more controversial this issue becomes, the more satisfaction the creationists get out of it. At least they will get to Heaven! And then to think that several of the Republican presidential candidates believe in this God fearing creationism too!  Now that has me worried, especially after seeing the simplistic way of their thinking at the Creation Science Museum.</p>
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		<title>By: Idetrorce</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/169/big-valley-creation-science-museumthe-video/comment-page-1#comment-9521</link>
		<dc:creator>Idetrorce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting, but I don&#039;t agree with you 
Idetrorce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting, but I don&#8217;t agree with you<br />
Idetrorce</p>
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		<title>By: Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/archives/169/big-valley-creation-science-museumthe-video/comment-page-1#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my favorite articles. I spit up my drink when I hit the part about the sleeping &quot;giant&quot;, and then couldn&#039;t stop laughing.

And it baffles me what &quot;super creation&quot; is. Is it, like creation on steroids? Like, god poofed everything into existence in two days instead of six? I mean, it&#039;s not like he couldn&#039;t have, being omnipotent and all.... whoops.

Anyway, final thought: the budgeting was kind of screwy, so the money that should&#039;ve gone in to &lt;i&gt;decent&lt;/i&gt; photography (namely, tilting the camera up two inches or -god forbid- using a self-timer and a tripod) went into the flashy rendering of Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my favorite articles. I spit up my drink when I hit the part about the sleeping &#8220;giant&#8221;, and then couldn&#8217;t stop laughing.</p>
<p>And it baffles me what &#8220;super creation&#8221; is. Is it, like creation on steroids? Like, god poofed everything into existence in two days instead of six? I mean, it&#8217;s not like he couldn&#8217;t have, being omnipotent and all&#8230;. whoops.</p>
<p>Anyway, final thought: the budgeting was kind of screwy, so the money that should&#8217;ve gone in to <i>decent</i> photography (namely, tilting the camera up two inches or -god forbid- using a self-timer and a tripod) went into the flashy rendering of Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your version of intellectual credibility sickens me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I held off on commenting about this, but what the heck!  That sentence doesn&#039;t make a whole lot of sense.  Credibility is an objective assessment of how accurate something is.  For example, science is credible, because it has mountains of data to back it up, and it has self-correcting mechanisms in place to bring it back on course when it starts to deviate.

The Holey Buy-bull is not credible, because it has no data to back up its claims, it contradicts known facts, and it has no mechanism for correction.  In fact, all attempts to fix its numerous errors are met with howls of protest from the religious.

I also can&#039;t figure out what a &quot;version&quot; of credibility might be.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Grow up and get a life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have a life.  Trying to protect the Constitution and prevent a theocracy are noble goals.

A life spent wandering the internet looking for blogs you can post poorly-crafted, illogical, and illiterate comments on is the life that&#039;s wasted.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You guys should learn some basic decentcy…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You should learn some basic spelling.

&lt;blockquote&gt;…in the way you deal with creationists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would, if only the creationists would learn some basic &lt;i&gt;decency&lt;/i&gt; in how they deal with people who passed 4th-grade science.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Have a nice day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Any day not laboring under the yoke of superstition is a nice day.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Super creation - super Creator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Universe is too big and complicated for your puny brain to comprehend, so you conclude that it must have been created.  Yeah.  That&#039;s logical!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your version of intellectual credibility sickens me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I held off on commenting about this, but what the heck!  That sentence doesn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense.  Credibility is an objective assessment of how accurate something is.  For example, science is credible, because it has mountains of data to back it up, and it has self-correcting mechanisms in place to bring it back on course when it starts to deviate.</p>
<p>The Holey Buy-bull is not credible, because it has no data to back up its claims, it contradicts known facts, and it has no mechanism for correction.  In fact, all attempts to fix its numerous errors are met with howls of protest from the religious.</p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t figure out what a &#8220;version&#8221; of credibility might be.</p>
<blockquote><p>Grow up and get a life.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have a life.  Trying to protect the Constitution and prevent a theocracy are noble goals.</p>
<p>A life spent wandering the internet looking for blogs you can post poorly-crafted, illogical, and illiterate comments on is the life that&#8217;s wasted.</p>
<blockquote><p>You guys should learn some basic decentcy…</p></blockquote>
<p>You should learn some basic spelling.</p>
<blockquote><p>…in the way you deal with creationists.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would, if only the creationists would learn some basic <i>decency</i> in how they deal with people who passed 4th-grade science.</p>
<blockquote><p>Have a nice day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Any day not laboring under the yoke of superstition is a nice day.</p>
<blockquote><p>Super creation &#8211; super Creator.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Universe is too big and complicated for your puny brain to comprehend, so you conclude that it must have been created.  Yeah.  That&#8217;s logical!</p>
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		<title>By: ericsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess creationists should return the favor and learn spelling...
Hey, at least if creationists visit this blog there&#039;s always the chance that we might save the brains of one of them from biblecrap-induced rot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess creationists should return the favor and learn spelling&#8230;<br />
Hey, at least if creationists visit this blog there&#8217;s always the chance that we might save the brains of one of them from biblecrap-induced rot.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Milroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Milroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your version of intellectual credibility sickens me. Grow up and get a life. You guys should learn some basic decentcy in the way you deal with creationists. Have a nice day. Super creation - super Creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your version of intellectual credibility sickens me. Grow up and get a life. You guys should learn some basic decentcy in the way you deal with creationists. Have a nice day. Super creation &#8211; super Creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Intergalactic Hussy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intergalactic Hussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, please! Do us all a favor and stay closed!&quot; I couldn&#039;t agree more.

I just feel bad for the poor kids who are forced to believe these blatant lies. :/

Damn you childhood indoctrination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, please! Do us all a favor and stay closed!&#8221; I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>I just feel bad for the poor kids who are forced to believe these blatant lies. :/</p>
<p>Damn you childhood indoctrination!</p>
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