Creationist Worldview Program

Sally Struthers promoting correspondence courses

The Institute for Creation “Research” is moving in on Sally Struthers’ turf. They now offer a correspondence course!

The Institute for Creation Research

They’re calling it the Creationist Worldview Program. What they don’t tell you is that a creationist’s worldview is of a flat Earth. No creationist will admit that, of course, but creationism was invented right around the time of the flat Earth “theory”. If you’re going to accept creationism, you might as well buy the whole hog and accept its contemporary.

I was looking at their web site, and a couple of things jumped out at me. First, here’s a partial screen capture of the site. It depicts a list of the five “platforms” of this training.

Foundational platforms of the program

You can see that I flagged the fourth item. Fundie irony. Gotta love it.

The next paragraph says:

Distinctive to ICR’s Worldview studies are the more than thirty engaging courses […] all from top scientists, academicians, and theologians.

I sincerely doubt that any “top scientists” are involved in their pathetic little correspondence course. No top scientists who work in any field touching on biology reject evolution. Of course, these retards don’t give us any names. I guess we’re just supposed to take it on faith that they have some “top scientists”. Taking things on faith is an easy thing for their target audience to do.

Next comes a list of all of the courses. Unfortunately, there’s no description here. Classes such as “Science and Geology” sound benign, but I’m sure they’re full of denials of geology.

They also offer classes whose very names scream their bogus nature. “Science and Intelligent Design” is the most glaring example.

Student Agreement

Another page lists the Student Agreement. If you’re stupid enough to sign up for this course, this is what you’re agreeing to. Here are a few excerpts:

If you successfully complete the Program you will receive Certification in Creationist Worldview Studies from ICR.

Hot damn! A certificate! I hope it’s suitable for framing! They didn’t say that it was. What they really need to do is print the certificate on toilet paper, so it’s actually good for something.

It is your responsibility to verify if any portion of the Program qualifies for Continuing Educational Units (CEU) by your professional organization.

That’s because as far as they know, no organization would be stupid enough. I certainly wouldn’t want to be a member of an organization that would accept this course for CEUs.

The Program does not grant accredited transferable college credits.

Well there’s a freakin’ surprise!

The Program does not grant associate, bachelor, master, or doctoral degrees.

I was ready to make a joke about this being a stupidly obvious statement, but they have a link to their other site that offers “advanced degrees in science”!! Holy crap! (literally, in this case) Isn’t it great to know that there are creationists out there granting advanced degrees in biology? I hope your child’s school doesn’t employ any of their graduates!

16 Responses to “Creationist Worldview Program”

  1. Ed Darrell Says:

    They are petitioning Texas authorities to get the right to grant graduate degrees right now. Hearing and potential approval on January 24, 2008.

    C’mon over to Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub. I’ve got posts and links.

  2. bob Says:

    there are so many holes in evolution theory that you can walk through them….so get off your fucking high horse and get a fucking life!

  3. Brian Says:


    Soooooooo……T-rex used to be a herbivore and let little kids ride him before the flood? Satan deliberately placed fossil evidence all around the world to mislead us? The entire universe is only a few thousand years old? Everything is going to be set right when Jesus comes back any day now as a superhero to smite all us nasty athiests?

    Bob, I’d love to take you at your word, but I have a brain, and its telling me that the only hole big enough to walk through is the one in your head.

  4. John Says:

    It might add just a touch of credibility to your comments if you actually got off your butt and did a little research. The world is full of lazy, sarcastic critics who couldn’t critically and honestly think their way out of a wet paper bag, and after reading your comments, I believe I’ve found one more. Check out Ben Stein’s film this spring.

  5. Ron Britton Says:


    This blog is full of research. In fact, if you did any, you’d see that we’ve already thoroughly covered Ben Stein’s movie (at least as much of it as anybody who doesn’t sign a non-disclosure agreement and loyalty oath is allow to see).

    Evolution has been covered in this blog extensively. Again, if you had done any research, you’d know that.

    In fact, if you had done any research at all, you’d know that evolution is a fact supported by more data than almost anything else in science. Since you refuse to believe that, I think you should apply to the Creationist Worldview Program. It’s designed for lazy people incapable of critical thinking.

  6. Jennifer in CA Says:

    Um wow – we don’t believe in a flat earth…

    And don’t you think it takes a lot more faith to believe that hundreds of minute details lined up perfectly against all odds to create a Big Bang, than that there might be a God who created us all?

  7. Brian Says:

    Wow, Jennifer. I’ve never heard that argument before. I’m going to forget everything I’ve ever learned about evolution and embrace your deity. Oh, wait, which deity are you talking about? I mean, there are so many that are supposed to be responsible for the universe, how am I to know I’m worshipping the right one? Since so many religions emphasize a hell for non-believers and those who picked the wrong religion, I really want to get this right. Your insights will be appreciated.

  8. Parrotlover77 Says:

    *cough* *cough* This is a dusty article. *Rubs eyes* Sorry… better now.

    …hundreds of minute details lined up perfectly against all odds to create a Big Bang…

    Dear Drive-By Poster Jennifer in CA:

    You clearly have very little (maybe none?) concept of what the Big Bang Theory is. That’s okay. I’ll be honest when I say that I struggle to grasp the finer details of what the theory describes. Math is hard, afterall.

    But if you think that the mechanism by which a magical daddy poofed all of existence into existence is less complicated than the quantum events necessary to lead up to what is known as the Big Bang, then… well… There is no hope for you.


  9. Ron Britton Says:

    *cough* *cough* This is a dusty article. *Rubs eyes* Sorry… better now.

    Hey! All of my articles are as fresh now as the day they were written! They’re also a lot fresher than the ideas taught in the ICR correspondence course.

  10. Ron Britton Says:

    Um wow – we don’t believe in a flat earth…

    Why not? Don’t you believe what your Bible tells you?

    And don’t you think it takes a lot more faith to believe that hundreds of minute details lined up perfectly against all odds to create a Big Bang, than that there might be a God who created us all?


  11. Ed Darrell Says:

    What’s all the dust about here?

    Ah, I see — someone found the old post.

    Hey, the good news is the courts have tossed ICR’s appeal of Texas’s refusal to let them grant science degrees in that crap — it’s just not science.

    See here:

    And here:

    So, Texas won’t honor ICR’s telling lies about science. Whether Christians wish to join creationists in telling lies is their right, but rather contrary to most Christian theology, it seems to me.

  12. Jeff Says:

    So, Texas mandates the teaching of creationism in science classes, but, once they’ve graduated – all of a sudden, it’s not science?

  13. Parrotlover77 Says:

    The bible disagrees with itself all the time. Texas is just following suit, like a good christian nation.

  14. Reverend Flash Says:

    Dear Jennifer in CA – It would be hard to believe that “hundreds of minute details lined up perfectly against all odds” if it was only the product of a pre-universe’s single attempt. But if the lifeless void that predated our present universe needed a certain exact group of random events to happen in order for said universe to begin to exist, then all that would be required would be time. Just like playing a lottery enough times can almost guarantee you a win (even if centuries have to pass before your numbers get picked) or in the way that a bunch of monkeys banging randomly for years in a room full of typewriters will ultimately plagiarize some Shakespeare, enough attempts to succeed at something for which there are steep odds will ultimately bring you to your goal. If something only happens once out of a million times, let it happen a million times so that one victorious time comes up. All you have to do is wait. And all the pre-universe had to do was wait – wait, and set a different bunch of variables into motion over and over again without intelligent design until finally the magic combo was discovered. And considering that there is no beginning or end to a timeline, there was never any danger of there not being enough time for this to work out as it did. So, Jennifer, it was way more than HUNDREDS of minute details – more like MILLIONS, at least, but the overwhelming odds against it proved quite underwhelming since we had time on our side.

  15. Parrotlover77 Says:

    Not to pick too deeply into nits, but time didn’t exist pre-Universe. Time is a construct in and of our universe. It’s a mathematical dimension of reality, the same as width, height, and depth (and maybe others). As such, pre-universe, the “waiting” of time didn’t even have to occur. To an outside “observer” (I’m stretching terms to their limits here) for whom time as we know it simply exists as yet another dimension, all that was, is, or will be is stretched out before them to examine however they want.

    So, my point is that every possible random set of pre-universe preconditions may have been happening exactly simultaneously, resulting in infinite numbers of universes with different physics than our own. We just happen to be in this one, which looks they way it does and acts the way it does. And this may still be occurring simultaneously across all time as we know it “outside” our universe. No waiting period required. It just was, is, and will be because the math makes it possible.

    * Unlike fundies, I reserve the right to change my opinion as new discoveries are made about the true origins of our universe by real scientists doing real science and not illiterate sheep hearders.

  16. Riley Says:

    i feel like the entire blog (which is named Bay of Fundie) has a lot of damn Fundies reading it. i feel liek if they believe it so strongly then why would they care if we believe or not? i’m sorry but christianity was not the worlds first religion thus proving its falsity alone. but on top of that it has the many many many faults that contradict modern proven scientific theories. and fyi fundies a scientific theory is not a theory in the literal sense, in the science community it is an idea that has been accepted as truth based on the facts and evidence provided but is subject to change because there is always the possibility of more evidence (contradictory or not)to surface. that is why it cannot be a law because there are still things that we dont know and we are keeping ourselves opening to learning those things. on a side note, if i was hitler i wouldve forgotten the jews and put all the fundamentalists in camps where they wouldnt work but rather be forced to watch bill mahr for 24 hours straight.