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	<title>Comments on: From Pulitzer Prize to Creationist Mouthpiece in Five Short Years</title>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh... the awesome 21st battleground of Amazon book reviews.  Further proof that Kevin has absolutely no life.  Whoever James Safranek is, he should just step away, no matter how temping it is.  The book reviews and comments will never change anybody&#039;s mind.  

http://xkcd.com/386/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh&#8230; the awesome 21st battleground of Amazon book reviews.  Further proof that Kevin has absolutely no life.  Whoever James Safranek is, he should just step away, no matter how temping it is.  The book reviews and comments will never change anybody&#8217;s mind.  </p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/386/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I just noticed the mistake and emailed you to ask you to fix it. Never mind!

Safranek has a running battle in one of those comment threads that goes on for seven, eight pages. I don&#039;t know why he bothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I just noticed the mistake and emailed you to ask you to fix it. Never mind!</p>
<p>Safranek has a running battle in one of those comment threads that goes on for seven, eight pages. I don&#8217;t know why he bothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Thanks for the great tip!  I was aware that the monstrosity was getting a lot of five-star reviews, but that&#039;s just because it&#039;s a self-selecting group.  Who else would be willing to shell out $25 for something you can scoop out of your toilet for free?

What I had never bothered to look at was the comments.  You&#039;re right.  KW posts a lot of self-aggrandizing comments after the reviews, telling them that &quot;oh that&#039;s just the tip of the icebergman.  You should see how bad it &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; is!&quot;

Maybe in a few days I&#039;ll take a closer look at some of those.  I&#039;m always looking for new material!

I noticed that KW seems to be in a long-running battle with a guy named James Safranek who posts comments on a lot of these reviews debunking them.  It&#039;s good to see somebody else fighting the good fight against this colossal retard who is trying so hard to ruin our schools and drag us back to the Dark Ages.

BTW, his name is spelled &quot;Wirth&quot;.  He has no worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Thanks for the great tip!  I was aware that the monstrosity was getting a lot of five-star reviews, but that&#8217;s just because it&#8217;s a self-selecting group.  Who else would be willing to shell out $25 for something you can scoop out of your toilet for free?</p>
<p>What I had never bothered to look at was the comments.  You&#8217;re right.  KW posts a lot of self-aggrandizing comments after the reviews, telling them that &#8220;oh that&#8217;s just the tip of the icebergman.  You should see how bad it <i>really</i> is!&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe in a few days I&#8217;ll take a closer look at some of those.  I&#8217;m always looking for new material!</p>
<p>I noticed that KW seems to be in a long-running battle with a guy named James Safranek who posts comments on a lot of these reviews debunking them.  It&#8217;s good to see somebody else fighting the good fight against this colossal retard who is trying so hard to ruin our schools and drag us back to the Dark Ages.</p>
<p>BTW, his name is spelled &#8220;Wirth&#8221;.  He has no worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, if you haven&#039;t already noticed - Kevin Worth&#039;s latest activity has been leaving thank-you notes for people who post five-star reviews to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Dissidents-Dr-Jerry-Bergman/product-reviews/0981873405/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Slaughter of the Intellect. Opens in new window.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this abomination&lt;/a&gt; on Amazon.

It&#039;s utterly amazing how many stupid frakking people there are in this country. I can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;wait&lt;/i&gt; for us to go down the tubes. (That&#039;s because I don&#039;t have Christ in my heart.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, if you haven&#8217;t already noticed &#8211; Kevin Worth&#8217;s latest activity has been leaving thank-you notes for people who post five-star reviews to <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Dissidents-Dr-Jerry-Bergman/product-reviews/0981873405/" target="_blank" title="Slaughter of the Intellect. Opens in new window." rel="nofollow">this abomination</a> on Amazon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s utterly amazing how many stupid frakking people there are in this country. I can&#8217;t <i>wait</i> for us to go down the tubes. (That&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t have Christ in my heart.)</p>
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		<title>By: Parrotlover77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrotlover77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think proof of God may be the seemingly large impossibly coincidental number of conservative/fundie organizations, groups, ideas, that all have some sexual euphemism buried underneath. BJU?  The teabag movement?  The list goes on and on...

Of course, if it does prove existence of god, it&#039;s proving that god really has a great sense of humor and quite probably dislikes his most fervent followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think proof of God may be the seemingly large impossibly coincidental number of conservative/fundie organizations, groups, ideas, that all have some sexual euphemism buried underneath. BJU?  The teabag movement?  The list goes on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, if it does prove existence of god, it&#8217;s proving that god really has a great sense of humor and quite probably dislikes his most fervent followers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay:

&lt;blockquote&gt;All I can come up with is during college these atheist to fundie converts weren’t actually atheists but perhaps just didn’t go to church on a regular basis. In their minds not attending church on a regular basis equates to atheism?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s a lot of it.  Most of these people don&#039;t seem to understand what atheism is, so they can&#039;t know whether they were one.

I&#039;m sure some are legitimate conversions from genuine atheists.  I have no problem with that.  How strong is anyone&#039;s belief in anything?  For a lot of people, a given belief is what makes the most sense at the time.  These people could have been legitimate atheists, in that they definitely agreed with the tenets of non-theism.  Life is a long journey.  What works for somebody at one age may not work for them at a later age.

It&#039;s the strong atheists, such as PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins, who would shock me if they converted.  For the run of the mill person who accepts atheism just because nothing else is convincing, I expect some of them to change their opinions later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay:</p>
<blockquote><p>All I can come up with is during college these atheist to fundie converts weren’t actually atheists but perhaps just didn’t go to church on a regular basis. In their minds not attending church on a regular basis equates to atheism?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a lot of it.  Most of these people don&#8217;t seem to understand what atheism is, so they can&#8217;t know whether they were one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure some are legitimate conversions from genuine atheists.  I have no problem with that.  How strong is anyone&#8217;s belief in anything?  For a lot of people, a given belief is what makes the most sense at the time.  These people could have been legitimate atheists, in that they definitely agreed with the tenets of non-theism.  Life is a long journey.  What works for somebody at one age may not work for them at a later age.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the strong atheists, such as PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins, who would shock me if they converted.  For the run of the mill person who accepts atheism just because nothing else is convincing, I expect some of them to change their opinions later.</p>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Citing 1000 crackpots is no more credible than citing one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, that&#039;s a bit of an upper bound on the number of crackpots cited, since works like Mr. Bergman&#039;s will frequently cite some sources multiple times.

And incidentlly, since BGSU dropped him like a bad habit, I know one place that would jump at the chance to have him &lt;strike&gt;educate&lt;/strike&gt; brainwash their students: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bju.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BJU&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Citing 1000 crackpots is no more credible than citing one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s a bit of an upper bound on the number of crackpots cited, since works like Mr. Bergman&#8217;s will frequently cite some sources multiple times.</p>
<p>And incidentlly, since BGSU dropped him like a bad habit, I know one place that would jump at the chance to have him <strike>educate</strike> brainwash their students: <a href="http://www.bju.edu/" rel="nofollow">BJU</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering the same too penguinsaur.  All I can come up with is during college these atheist to fundie converts weren&#039;t actually atheists but perhaps just didn&#039;t go to church on a regular basis.  In their minds not attending church on a regular basis equates to atheism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering the same too penguinsaur.  All I can come up with is during college these atheist to fundie converts weren&#8217;t actually atheists but perhaps just didn&#8217;t go to church on a regular basis.  In their minds not attending church on a regular basis equates to atheism?</p>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 16:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anybody who would foolishly spend his time trying to disprove evolution is probably going to have a wasted career. It’s like trying to disprove gravity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alternatively, it&#039;s like trying to prove that water isn&#039;t wet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anybody who would foolishly spend his time trying to disprove evolution is probably going to have a wasted career. It’s like trying to disprove gravity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alternatively, it&#8217;s like trying to prove that water isn&#8217;t wet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“First, it’s not happening. Second, yes it’s happening and it should be happening.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, it&#039;s not happening.

Second, it still isn&#039;t happening - but, yes, it should be.

If these morons are being persecuted, why does Behe still have a job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“First, it’s not happening. Second, yes it’s happening and it should be happening.”</p></blockquote>
<p>First, it&#8217;s not happening.</p>
<p>Second, it still isn&#8217;t happening &#8211; but, yes, it should be.</p>
<p>If these morons are being persecuted, why does Behe still have a job?</p>
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		<title>By: dvsrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>dvsrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 08:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a question-and-answer session after his talk, he said one way to help bring about change is to propose a state constitutional amendment that would allow educators to raise questions about evolution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Constitutional amendment: All persons who are so-called educators must have the right guaranteed to them under the authority of the Constitution of the State of Cookoo to make speech (of some sort) that opposes Charles Darwin&#039;s theory of Evolution. 

All those in favor say &quot;eye&quot;. Or was that &quot;I&quot; or whatever.

ALL IN UNISON: &quot;eye, I, or whatever.&quot; 

... except one... &quot;perhaps...&quot; one woman said... &quot;we should make another constitutional amendment that states that nobody should ever be allowed to fart in an elevator.&quot; 

All AGREED: &quot;YES!!, the crowd exclaimed. &quot;No more farting in elevators!!&quot;

ONE LITTLE BOY: &quot;And we make &#039;stutional &#039;mendmint that we don&#039;t have to come inside after dark.&quot;

ELDERLY WOMAN: &quot;WE have had it with the laundry room situation!! And now it&#039;s time for the Constitutional Amendment --- By decreed by the State of Cookoo --- that no persons will ever set the washed laundry on the top of the dirty dryer.

MIDDLE-AGED MAN: &quot;we shall make it be clear that the word &quot;literally&quot; only be used as it literally shall be . There will be a State-certified, reviewed by all competent recipients, notarized, and filed in our file called; &quot;important,&quot; copies received by our front office and always before Tuesday afternoon at precisely 3:49 in the PM. Now I do hope you get that straight.&quot;

AND HE GOES ON: 

ORRRRR...... I am just going to have to create a constitutional amendment that specifies exactly how you do your stupid, little job???

So then it goes on. Robert Nahgeelah was walking down the street one night and an ostrich walked up and pointed Robert in a single direction. Robert knew that ostriches did not usually signal to him but he thought he might check it out. 

The ostrich pointed Robert into the door of a popular Montana bar. Robert, who happened to be a famous rock star, walked into the bar and sang his famous song about how Sir Walter Raleigh died in a plane crash. Everyone knew that Sir Walter Raleigh did not die in a plane crash but they were polite and listened to the song anyway. It was about that time when Mother Pig entered the bar with twelve sticks of dynamite and a lit match. 

So, Jerry Bergman? What do you want to say to mother pig? As you are standing there --- oh, dare I say say &quot;Standing ther in front of her.&quot; 

Let it be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a question-and-answer session after his talk, he said one way to help bring about change is to propose a state constitutional amendment that would allow educators to raise questions about evolution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Constitutional amendment: All persons who are so-called educators must have the right guaranteed to them under the authority of the Constitution of the State of Cookoo to make speech (of some sort) that opposes Charles Darwin&#8217;s theory of Evolution. </p>
<p>All those in favor say &#8220;eye&#8221;. Or was that &#8220;I&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>ALL IN UNISON: &#8220;eye, I, or whatever.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230; except one&#8230; &#8220;perhaps&#8230;&#8221; one woman said&#8230; &#8220;we should make another constitutional amendment that states that nobody should ever be allowed to fart in an elevator.&#8221; </p>
<p>All AGREED: &#8220;YES!!, the crowd exclaimed. &#8220;No more farting in elevators!!&#8221;</p>
<p>ONE LITTLE BOY: &#8220;And we make &#8217;stutional &#8216;mendmint that we don&#8217;t have to come inside after dark.&#8221;</p>
<p>ELDERLY WOMAN: &#8220;WE have had it with the laundry room situation!! And now it&#8217;s time for the Constitutional Amendment &#8212; By decreed by the State of Cookoo &#8212; that no persons will ever set the washed laundry on the top of the dirty dryer.</p>
<p>MIDDLE-AGED MAN: &#8220;we shall make it be clear that the word &#8220;literally&#8221; only be used as it literally shall be . There will be a State-certified, reviewed by all competent recipients, notarized, and filed in our file called; &#8220;important,&#8221; copies received by our front office and always before Tuesday afternoon at precisely 3:49 in the PM. Now I do hope you get that straight.&#8221;</p>
<p>AND HE GOES ON: </p>
<p>ORRRRR&#8230;&#8230; I am just going to have to create a constitutional amendment that specifies exactly how you do your stupid, little job???</p>
<p>So then it goes on. Robert Nahgeelah was walking down the street one night and an ostrich walked up and pointed Robert in a single direction. Robert knew that ostriches did not usually signal to him but he thought he might check it out. </p>
<p>The ostrich pointed Robert into the door of a popular Montana bar. Robert, who happened to be a famous rock star, walked into the bar and sang his famous song about how Sir Walter Raleigh died in a plane crash. Everyone knew that Sir Walter Raleigh did not die in a plane crash but they were polite and listened to the song anyway. It was about that time when Mother Pig entered the bar with twelve sticks of dynamite and a lit match. </p>
<p>So, Jerry Bergman? What do you want to say to mother pig? As you are standing there &#8212; oh, dare I say say &#8220;Standing ther in front of her.&#8221; </p>
<p>Let it be.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 02:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as a BGSU graduate, I have to say how proud I am of the school I attended for dumping this douchenozzle. I knew there was more to BG than drunken orgies!

I believe I&#039;ve mentioned here before how fascinating, and dubious, I find people who claim to be former atheists. Really? Well, I&#039;d love to know what convinced them to become atheists in the first place, and what arguments they found persuasive enough to counter that position? They never tell us this because, in my humble opinion, they are bullshitting us with stories of false conversions intended to impress the more feeble-minded. 

I agree with PL. If someone like Dawkins publicly converted, it would raise more questions about him than it would atheism itself. I am willing to be shown that I&#039;m wrong about all of this, but its going to take some pretty goddamn gold-plated evidence to have any effect on me. Simply using semantics and fuzzy reasoning only convinces me of the believer&#039;s credulity and stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a BGSU graduate, I have to say how proud I am of the school I attended for dumping this douchenozzle. I knew there was more to BG than drunken orgies!</p>
<p>I believe I&#8217;ve mentioned here before how fascinating, and dubious, I find people who claim to be former atheists. Really? Well, I&#8217;d love to know what convinced them to become atheists in the first place, and what arguments they found persuasive enough to counter that position? They never tell us this because, in my humble opinion, they are bullshitting us with stories of false conversions intended to impress the more feeble-minded. </p>
<p>I agree with PL. If someone like Dawkins publicly converted, it would raise more questions about him than it would atheism itself. I am willing to be shown that I&#8217;m wrong about all of this, but its going to take some pretty goddamn gold-plated evidence to have any effect on me. Simply using semantics and fuzzy reasoning only convinces me of the believer&#8217;s credulity and stupidity.</p>
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